Six decades of Cardiff City v Derby County matches.

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A half a dozen questions about our next opponents, answers to follow tomorrow.

60s. Can you identify the member of a City team that played Derby during this decade from this description?

“A forward who was a prolific scorer at reserve team level but failed to make a mark with the senior side. After moving to Millwall having played just four times for City, he fared pretty well the same, only making 5 League appearances, and returned to South Wales to play for Barry Town before getting another chance in the Football League with Newport County, where he played 13 League matches scoring two goals during 1966. He then left full time football for the second and last time.”

70s. Who is the one time Derby player and the future City man in this picture from 1978 – for extra points which will win you absolutely nothing, can you name the team? Also, off the top of my head, there are eleven in the photo who played league football – again, there are completely meaningless bonus points at stake here if you can identify any of them!

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80s. Who is this member of a City team that played Derby during this decade?

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90s. Can you name this player?

“Started at Derby in the mid 90s and was loaned to a club in Iceland as a youngster. Left the Rams in 1996 after playing just the one match for them to join the first of two sides with amber in their kit that he played more than two hundred times for. It was while at the second of these teams that he was diagnosed with a degenerative bone condition in his leg – he was told that this condition not only threatened his football career, but also his ability to walk. Nevertheless, he returned to play for another decade despite suffering a cruciate knee ligament injury which sidelined him for a whole season. He eventually went on to captain the club in the Premier League before moving to a team of Lancashire whites and retiring at the age of thirty six – he now manages a non league team in the city where he enjoyed the greatest triumphs of his career.”

00s. Name the five members of Derby’s “worst ever Premier League team” squad, which won just the one game in 2007/08, who have represented Cardiff City.

10s. Which member of the last Derby squad to play Cardiff made his first ever appearance in the Premier League over the weekend just over fourteen years after his debut in senior football?

Answers.

60s. Gordon Fraser.

70s. The former Derby player is Gerry Daly, who is sat second from left in the front row and outside him is Roger Gibbins.

The team is the New England Tea Men and, besides the two named already, I reckon the hollowing played in the Football League;-

Peter Simpson (ex Arsenal) back row left, Chris Turner (Peterborough?) third from left back row, Kevin Keelan, fifth from right in the back row, next to him is Larry May (Leicester and Barnsley), then Mike Flanagan and Colin Powell of Charlton, while Laurie Abrahams, on the right of the back row, also played a few games for Charlton.

In the front row, there’s Brian Alderson (Coventry) fourth from the left and the late Keith Weller is next to him.

80s. John Carver.

90s. Ian Ashbee, who joined Cambridge United and then went on to Hull who he, uniquely, captained in all four divisions of the domestic club game.

00s. Robert Earnshaw and Kenny Miller were regular members of the team during that season, while Steven Bywater, who has had two spells on loan at City, was also at Derby during that season, as was Craig Fagan, who had a trial with City in 2011. Finally, current City Development team coach Michael Johnson was a very occasional member of that Derby team.

10s. Lee Grant, who is currently on loan from Derby to Stoke, played for them in their 1-1 draw with West Brom on Saturday.

 

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Mel Charles 14/5/35 – 24/9/16.

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The last question in my six decades quiz on Friday concerned Jacob Mellis, now of Bury, who became the first player ever to score at Rotherham’s New York Stadium when he netted for Barnsley in a pre season friendly in July 2012. Whatever happens at that ground from now on, no one will ever be able to take that honour away from Mellis and, although there may not be quite the same kudos involved, it’s a little bit the same with me and Mel Charles.

I have this mental picture of Mel scoring with a header at the Grange End, I suspect that’s just me taking a bit of artistic licence though, but what cannot be denied, because it’s there in the record books, is that Mel Charles scored the only goal in the first Cardiff City match I watched – Cardiff City 1 Northampton Town 0 on 5 October 1963 and because of that, Mel Charles has always been a special player to me.

It seems Mel Charles was never far away from Pele in the historic 1958 World Cup Quarter Final between Wales and Brazil - he certainly isn't in this photo.

It seems Mel Charles was never far away from Pele in the historic 1958 World Cup Quarter Final between Wales and Brazil – he certainly isn’t in this photo.

In saying that, a look at his record suggests that his career was in decline when I saw him for the first time (I have no memory of seeing him play before that afternoon because the first match I can remember watching on TV was the 1964 FA Cup Final between West Ham and Preston) and so, as is always the case with former City players of the era I’m talking about, there are other regular correspondents on here better placed to comment on his talents than me.

I’ve always thought of Mel’s place in the Charles brothers relationship as a bit of a Jackie to John’s Bobby, but, perhaps, that is to put him down somewhat. Certainly, Pele rated Mel highly enough to describe him as the best defender he faced in the 1958 World Cup Finals and this view is given more credibility by this story which confirms that the younger of the brothers was voted into a best of the tournament selection eleven.

I’ve searched unsuccessfully for a video of the great goal Mel scored for City in a derby game against the jacks at Ninian Park which, from memory, we won 5-2 (I know one exists because I was not at that game, but have seen the goal somewhere). so, in it’s absence, here’s a link in which Mel talks about his career.*

RIP

 

*I’m very grateful to the poster known as A Quiet Monkfish on the City messageboard I use who has located the goal about three minutes into this You Tube video

 

 

 

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