Seven decades of Cardiff City v Nottingham Forest matches.

Seven more questions on upcoming opponents, I’ll put the answers on here tomorrow.

60s. Possessor of a name which suggested a more exotic location for his birthplace than Wiltshire, this winger made his first team debut in an away win for Forest at Cardiff. He did well enough over the next four years to be part of a swap deal involving an England international which saw him move to another midlands team which, at the time, had a more illustrious history although they were about to enter something of a fallow period. Serious illness meant that he never established himself at his new home and he was on the move again a year later to a northern ground that was used in the 1966 World Cup. However, his career was in decline now and he played even less matches for his third team than he did for his second and, again was on the move within a year, this time to a nomadic team from London who by then had settled at the venue they still use today. After two years in which he barely made it into double figures with his league appearances, he called it a day, thus bringing to an end a career in which his only international recognition had come in an under 23 match in which the Netherlands were thrashed 5-2 – can you name the player being described?

70s. Norfolk born, this centreback played most of his football for Forest in a period where they were on the slide after being a respected First Division side in the late sixties. He played over fifty times for them and was in the side for a notorious cup tie in the north east. However, he was soon deemed surplus to requirements and was transferred to a team which, seemingly, played at a men only ground at the time. After nearly a decade’s service with his second club, his final move saw him turning out for seaside Lancastrians for a couple of seasons. In later life, he stood as a candidate in council elections and, at sixty five, was diagnosed with a form of dementia called chronic traumatic encephalopathy which he believes was caused by repeatedly heading the ball during his career, but who is he?

80s. Wet draper helps provide a few goals?

90s. Pack rock at sea?

00s. He played against us for Forest during this decade, but can you identify him from this list of some of his previous clubs – West Ham, Leicester, Forest, Coventry and Millwall?

10s. One of the players in the foreground of this picture is a Welsh international who played for Forest against City during this decade – who is he and who did he make his international debut against?

20s. These two played against us for Forest at Cardiff City Stadium in the noughties and they both turned out for another side against us at the same ground during this decade, who am I talking about?

Answers.

60s. Dick LeFlem played for Forest for the first time in a 3-1 win at Ninian Park in September 1960 and a year later won his only England under 23 cap in a 5-2 win over the Netherlands in Rotterdam. He scored eighteen times while playing over one hundred and thirty times for Forest and made enough of an impact to be involved in a straight swap deal with Wolves for their England winger Alan Hinton. LeFlem’s parents were from Guernsey and he contracted jaundice on a visit to the island shortly after his transfer, Judging by the way his career went into a decline which saw him retire from the game at 25, you can only presume that he never fully recovered from this as he only played thirty nine matches over the next four years as he followed his time at Wolves with unsuccessful spells at Middlesbrough and Leyton Orient.

70s. David Serella made his first appearances for Forest in a team on its way to relegation from the old First division and played most of his football for them in the second tier. Probably the most famous match he played in for them was an FA Cup tie against Newcastle at St James Park in 1974 which saw a crowd invasion where Serella and another Forest player were attacked by home fans – although the game was completed, the authorities ordered that it be scrubbed for the records and replayed at neutral Goodison Park. Serella signed for Walsall later that year and played over two hundred and fifty times for them before having a spell at Blackpool prior to his retirement.

80s. Peter Ward.

90s. Steve Stone.

00s. Andy Impey was in the Forest side when we drew 0-0 at the City Ground in September 2004.

10s. Sunderland’s Joel Lynch who won his only Welsh cap when he came on as a sub against Bosnia and Herzegovenia in August 2012.

20s. Chris Gunter and Garath McLeary were in the Forest side which draw 1-1 here in November 2009 and featured in the Reading sides that came here recently.

Posted in Memories, 1963 - 2023 | Tagged | Comments Off on Seven decades of Cardiff City v Nottingham Forest matches.

Tomlinless Cardiff easily seen off by struggling Stoke.

It needs to be said of course that Cardiff City could have performed just as limply, ineptly and mundanely as they did in losing 2-0 this afternoon at the Britannia Stadium to Stoke City if Lee Tomlin had been in the side.

Furthermore, it’s only fair to note that this was just the third loss the team had suffered in the Championship in the three months and more since Neil Harris was appointed as manager – that’s seventeen games ago.

Also, these days there is a tendency for supporters (including this one!) of all sides to base their opinions on what happened in the last match – especially if it ended in defeat.

Nevertheless, I can fully understand why there has been such a downbeat reaction to today’s outcome – I say that because once the news about Tomlin came through, what followed was only a confirmation of the worst fears of many of them.

Although there has been no official confirmation yet (City were always very reluctant to discuss the severity, or even the type, of injuries players were carrying under Neil Warnock and this seems to be continuing under Harris), it’s being suggested that the knee injury Tomlin suffered in training this week could be a season ending one. If that is indeed the case, then it will be a devastating setback to the team and, I fear, a terminal blow to any hopes of a top six finish.

On the face of it, that might seem overly dramatic. After all, while Tomlin has been one of the form players in the number ten type role in the division over the last few months, you would expect any side with realistic hopes of extending their season by taking part in the mini competition which decides what team takes the third promotion place to the Premier League to have at least one player able to come in and make a reasonable fist of replacing him, but the truth is that there is no one else who has played for us this season who could provide what Tomlin has been providing lately.

Yes, we have players such as Josh Murphy, Junior Hoilett and, when fit, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing who are capable of magic moments which can lead to goals, but the difference is that with those three players, it is, nearly always, in an individual context – that is, a run past opponents or a spectacular goal, whereas what you get from an in form Tomlin is all of that, but also you get it within a team context – the brilliance also includes defence splitting passes and assists that are, as in the case of Robert Glatzel’s equaliser at Leeds, occasionally outrageous.

I’ve just posted on a messageboard that City looked like a team which was thinking we’ve got no chance today without Tomlin. I’d like to think that most of us accept that, especially in a league that is as competitive as the Championship is, City are going to have days where they don’t play well, but commitment and fighting spirit are minimum requirements – unusually, for this squad, I saw little evidence of that today.

Nothing showed up the difference between the teams as much as Stoke’s second goal where the home side’s players won a series of individual battles, one or two of which you would have thought beforehand were something like 70/30 in the City man’s favour, until Joe Allen was left with a simple, close range rap in.

Let’s not forget here either that, although Stoke have one of the better looking squads in the division on paper, they have spent all season in or around the bottom three and they had conceded ten goals in losing three of their last four games.

Stoke are no great shakes then, but they were comfortably better than us – you hear managers of beaten teams sometimes saying that their side had turned in a “nothing” performance, well, there was nothing that City did today to a satisfactory level, so I suppose that’s what they mean when they use that term.

If the second goal illustrated the contrast in mental approach between the sides, the first one was another example of inconclusive defending from a set piece as, for the second time in a week they found themselves 1-0 down from the first corner they had to defend. Callum Paterson could be considered unlucky when an inswinging corner cleared the near post, yet had dropped enough to go in off his knee by the time it hit him about four yards out from goal as he stood just inside the far post, but, in saying that, he was caught somewhat flat footed as if he was not expecting the ball to get beyond the near post.

The fact that it did was, possibly, suggestive of a very surprising stat which was among the plethora of them I saw at half time. While these were only first half figures which might have swung our way more after the break, I still find it concerning that, in a team which sets such stall on such things, we won only thirty two per cent of the aerial challenges we were involved in.

Returning to the Tomlin theme, the main reason why I had been allowing myself to think we might just make it into the top six was that Josh Murphy had begun to look the player he could be at this level in the last month or so, not just in terms of his much improved goals output, but also in his more general contributions – therefore, we had someone who could take some of the responsibility for opening up opposition defences off Tomlin..

However, even with this new, improved Murphy, there is still that equivalent of the sort of formula you came across in geometry or physics lessons to consider whereby;-

Cardiff City away game + determined opponents = Josh being substituted around the hour mark

to be considered – it happened at Luton and, after one or two fleeting glimpses of his ability in an otherwise anonymous showing, it happened again here.

Mind you, it would to be wrong to pin all of the blame for an anaemic attacking showing on Murphy. Danny Ward came into the starting line up instead of Tomlin and only did more to persuade me that those who have expressed the opinion that he is more effective coming off the bench than he is when he starts might well have a point.

Paterson was another one who had a mainly frustrating afternoon even without the own goal – it really does say so much about our lack of options when it comes to the more “traditional” interpretation of what a modern day number ten should be that, warts and all, Paterson is probably the most effective person we have to play there in Tomlin’s absence.

Albert Adomah was probably the best of the front four, but that’s not really saying much when you consider that the only City “attack” worthy of inclusion in Sky’s short highlights package of the game was a cross he put over that home keeper Jack Butland opted to turn away for a corner with no attacker anywhere near him – off the top of my head,  I can’t think of anything we did that was more worthy of inclusion in any compendium of the game’s highlights.

The poverty of our football and the lack of a suitable replacement for Tomlin has me thinking that we may as well prepare for another season of Championship football in 20/21 – the ground we made on the top six in recent weeks is all but lost and I think we are almost, but not quite, into must win territory when it comes to this week’s home games with Forest and Brentford.

Below first team level, there was a second successive 2-2 draw for the Under 18s this lunchtime when they twice came from behind to draw 2-2 at Coventry – Keiron Evans getting both of the goals.

The award for the most predictable postponement of the season goes to Blaenrhondda AFC’s scheduled home match against Trebanog in the Highadmit South Wales Premier League, but Ton Pentre were able to put further distance between them and the relegation places with a 3-0 win at Garden Village in the Welsh League southern section.

Once again, can I make a request for support from readers by them becoming my Patrons through Patreon. Full details of this scheme and the reasons why I decided to introduce it can be found here, but I should say that the feedback I have got so far has indicated a reluctance from some to use Patreon as they prefer to opt for a direct payment to me. If you are interested in becoming a patron and would prefer to make a direct contribution, please contact me at paul.evans8153@hotmail.com or in the Feedback section of the blog and I will send you my bank/PayPal details.

Posted in Football in the Rhondda valleys., Out on the pitch, The kids. | Tagged , , , | 1 Comment