Tracing Cardiff City’s complete change of character through two matches against Tottenham Hotspur.

Before getting into the crux of this piece, a few words about the issue which has been hitting the headlines at the club in the early days of 2019.

With the transfer window now open there has been plenty of conjecture about the players we may or may not be signing this month. Frankly, when I look at the extensive list of speculative suggestions who are, in some cases, on the brink of signing for us apparently, I’m struck by the completely contradictory signals they send out – are we going to be spending getting on for £20 million for an Argentinian striker and around £6 million on a teenage centre half from Galatasaray or are we bringing in a Celtic reject, now playing for Hibs, for less than £1 million or a twenty year old striker from Sunderland who may be coming here on a Bosman free transfer in the summer?

However, with the current scattergun approach to possible transfers seen on the plethora of sites which specialise in this sort of thing, attention has settled on the story concerning allegations being made against Craig Bellamy, the man in charge of the City’s successful Under 18 team, of bullying and anti English bias.

The story had been featured on a daily basis since Wednesday I think it was in the Daily Mail. It started off with claims from the parents of Alfie Madden, an English youngster who arrived at the club two and a half years ago after being released from West Ham, that Bellamy made their son’s life a misery at Cardiff with the result that they effectively withdrew him from the club with just under a half of his two year deal left – there are also claims today that there is another player besides Madden who has made a complaint against Bellamy and is still at the club.

I could say plenty about this from both sides of the argument, but I would prefer to leave it until the club’s investigation into the story has been completed – as for Bellamy, he has denied all of the allegations and has, at his own behest, stood down from his post until the club enquiry has been concluded.

I mention the Bellamy story here mainly because it is connected, albeit loosely, to the subject of this article. As one of the people responsible for developing young players good enough to, eventually, play first team football for City, Bellamy has to be under pressure due to the fact that what was a stream of them has now slowed to what can’t even be called a trickle – to be fair to our former player, he is a relatively new employee at our Academy and, as such, can hardly be assigned “blame” for the lack of quality youngster coming through during the period of, say, 2010/2017.

On Tuesday City were brushed aside by a Tottenham outfit which, despite the glowing reputation they and their manager enjoy, have not won anything tangible since lifting the League Cup in 2008. The final score was 3-0, but, having got three goals clear, Spurs effectively declared before half an hour had been played – the gap in quality between the two teams was embarrassing as City’s inept defending played a part in each goal conceded.

The Cardiff side that subsided meekly against Spurs, following earlier home thrashings by both Manchester clubs, did not have a single Welshman in its starting eleven and there wasn’t one among the seven on the bench either. If you were looking for the closest thing to a “local boy” in the Cardiff eighteen that were shown to be not remotely in Spurs’ league, then I suppose you’d go for Bristol born Bobby Decordova-Reid who I somehow think was hardly in with the away fans in any Severnside derby he may have attended at Ashton Gate as a kid!

So, when the Spurs fans began singing “He’s one of our own”, as they have been doing about Harry Kane for the last five years or more, after our shambolic defending presented him with a goal in the third minute, our fans had no one who we could come back with using the same tune in reply. No surprise there really, because, apart from the odd brief rendition relating to Merthyr born Declan John when he played a few matches during Paul Trollope’s ill-starred reign as team boss, it’s a song that has never been heard coming from the the home support at Cardiff City Stadium.

How different it all was back in March 1961. On the eleventh of that month, a crowd of 45,000 plus made its way to Ninian Park for a Saturday evening kick off (Wales had played what was a Five Nations match in those days at Cardiff Arms Park a few hours earlier) to see their side take on a Spurs team on their way to capturing the First Division title. Not only that, they would also win the FA Cup a few weeks later, thus becoming the first side to win the League and Cup double in the twentieth century.

Now, any football comparison between the game of nearly sixty years ago and the one now is going to face charges that you are not comparing like for like. Therefore, let’s concede straight away that general playing standards in their domestic game’s top division were probably not as high in 1961 as they are now. Players are fitter these days, better prepared in terms of things like diet and their mental approach towards the game – probably most tellingly, the Premier League is a far more international competition than the old First Division was back then. The First Division was, primarily, a competition for the best the British Isles had to offer, whereas the Premier League has many of the best players on the planet performing in it every week.

So, it’s entirely possible that, despite their lack of silverware, the Spurs team of 2019 would be able to overcome their one of 1961 if they were ever able to play each other. However, when measured by what was available in 1961 and what preceded them, the team that won the first domestic double in sixty four years and in 1963 became the first British side to win a European club trophy, has, surely, to be one of the best this country had seen at that time.

The Cardiff team that faced Spurs that night had, like City’s current side, been promoted from the domestic game’s second tier the season before and had spent the first half of the 60/61 campaign too close to the relegation places for comfort. However, an improvement, which began after a 6-1 defeat at Blackpool on Bonfire night and saw them lose only three league matches in sixteen left them safely ensconced in ninth place when Spurs came  visiting.

Therefore, the team which were to win the league by eight points back in those days when it was just two points for a win, must have known it wouldn’t be straightforward for them in Cardiff, but, nevertheless, their 3-2 defeat must have been seen as a pretty big shock at the time.

There are plenty of possible candidates for the award of Cardiff City’s best ever one off win in their history. 1-0 over Arsenal in 1927 would, obviously, be one, as I suppose would be 1-0 over Real Madrid in 1971 or, maybe, 2-1 in Lisbon against Sporting in 1964. 2-1 over Leeds in 2002 is a candidate given the relative status of the two sides going into the game, but, if you are talking about league fixtures only, I think I’d come up with a couple of 3-2s (Man City, the eventual Premier League Champions in 2013 and Spurs in 1961) and I can remember my parents telling me about a 2-0 win over Champions Wolves at Molineux in 1955 some three months after being beaten 9-1 by the same opposition at Ninian Park.

Forced to choose between those three though, I’d go for beating Spurs because of all of the trophies they side won (they also retained the FA Cup in 1962).

So, what was the City side which proved to be good for the “Glory, glory Tottenham Hotspur” side of the early 60’s – the contrast in make up between that team and the Welshman free zone that was our eighteen on Tuesday is very telling. Here is the eleven that managed to do what the current team couldn’t on Tuesday;-

Goalkeeper Ron Nicholls was born in Sharpness and was signed from Bristol Rovers.

Cardiff born Alan Harrington spent his whole senior career at the club after signing from local team Cardiff Nomads as an eighteen year old.

Ron Stitfall was another Cardiffian who came through the club’s junior ranks and played over 400 times in a sixteen year first team career which began in 1947.

Barry Hole originated from Swansea, but signed for us and made his first team debut as a teenager in 59/60.

Scotsman Danny Malloy was born in Denny Loan and was signed from Dundee in 1955.

Colin Baker’s route into football was identical to Harrington’s – another local boy who became a one club man over thirteen seasons after arriving from Cardiff Nomads.

Brian Walsh from Aldershot arrived from Arsenal in 1955.

Hengoed born Graham Moore came up through City’s junior ranks, signing a professional contract in 1958 as a seventeen year old. A few months later he scored on his first team debut.

Derek Tapscott was born in Barry and scored stacks of goals for his home town club. City were one of the clubs interested in signing him, but he moved to Arsenal as a twenty one year old and joined us five years later.

Peter Donnolly was from Hull and joined us from Scunthorpe in 1960.

Stockton born Derek Hogg also arrived in 1960 from West Brom.

More than half of the side were Welshmen then and, apart from Barry Hole, five of them were born within a fifteen mile radius of Cardiff with three of them being from the city itself.

City reached a season high sixth after their magnificent win. Maybe it was the effort put in on that night which was responsible, but they were not to win another match that season – in fact, their last nine games produced just three draws as they declined to a fifteenth placed finish some five points above relegated Newcastle.

The win over Spurs cannot be discounted as a one off freak result though, because third placed Wolves were also beaten 3-2 at Ninian Park, fourth placed Burnley were another to leave Cardiff defeated (by 2-1 and we beat them by the same score at Turf Moor), while sixth placed Leicester came a cropper here as well by losing 2-1 and, in another comaprison which shows the team from fifty eight years ago in a better light than the current side, seventh finishing Manchester United were thumped by 3-0..

So, a Cardiff team with a majority of Welshmen in it were able to consistently take on the best in the old First Division on their own ground that season and beat them. Certainly, the contrast between those results and the feeble efforts put in by the current team against the big six at Cardiff City Stadium are marked and cannot just be explained away by the probable lower standard competition in the early sixties. If Cardiff could field a team like that fifty seven years ago, why can’t we find even one Welshmen considered good enough to merit a starting place for us now?

I can’t answer that question in any way that satisfies me, but I do note that 1960/61 was anything but a one off.

A few years earlier, City had a spell in the old First Division around the mid fifties and which lasted for five seasons and invariably they had a majority of Welshmen in the team then. For example, the side which played its first game back in Division One after an absence of nearly twenty five years had six Welsh born players in it, while there were the same number of “natives” in the team which won that game with Wolves I mentioned earlier.

In fact, Cardiff teams throughout the club’s ninety nine year Football League existence have drawn heavily upon the talent in this area and while my knowledge of the club’s history is not sufficient to state this categorically, I’m pretty confident that that every Cardiff City manager in our Football League tenure up to and including Dave Jones would have had no compunction in giving a local youngster a first team debut in a league fixture with something on it if the situation warranted it.

Of the managers since Jones, Malky Mackay gave a first team debut to Declan John in our first game in the top flight in over half a century and in his each of his first two seasons with us regularly included an English born Academy team graduate in the seventeen year old Joe Ralls and nineteen year old Ben Nugent. Mackay’s successor Ole Gunnar Solskjaer marked our final game in the Premier League in 2014 by bringing on another Academy graduate Cardiff born Tom James for a league debut (albeit in a “meaningless” match), while Paul Trollope was appointed with the intention of introducing a “Cardiff way” which involved promotion of young Welsh talent, but didn’t stay long enough to show whether he would have implemented it or not – what is known though is that the “Cardiff way” died a death with Trollope’s departure!

I always feel a bit guilty that the only times I tend to mention Russel Slade these days is to say what an appalling City manager he was when it comes to youth development , but as this piece is about that very subject, that guilty feeling is not that strong this time! Slade wasn’t a complete failure as a City manager, far from it, but his record demonstrably proves that he was just awful when it came to developing and/or promoting young talent, be it Welsh born or not.

Current boss Neil Warnock has to be a realistic contender as best City manager ever, but I find his record when it comes to youth development disappointing. He’s not in the Slade class because players such as Swansea born Mark Harris and Merthyr’s Cameron Coxe have made first team debuts under his tenure, with Harris even playing some league football for us, but, tellingly, never in games that couldn’t have the term “meaningless end of season affair” applied to it.

So, something has changed in what is a pretty short time when you consider the total period of our Football League existence. It seems to me that somewhere along the line during this decade, picking youngsters for our first team has come to eb regarded as a risk not worth taking,

Is it a coincidence that this period equates to the time Vincent Tan arrived on the scene? I suspect it is, except that it may be that the demand for success has become greater, but, even then, three different managers were able to pick youngsters for the first team and it was only when Slade arrived that they disappeared altogether.

Of course, it needs to be said that the higher up the league structure you go, the better you have to be if you’re a youngster trying to break into the first team and it’s definitely true to say that there have been a few players at Cardiff in this decade who would have played first team football for the club if they had been around in, say, the eighties or nineties. However, local youngsters were always able to find their way into the first team in our previous stays in the top flight in the twenties, fifties and sixties and, anyway, for most of this decade when we have been a Welshman free zone, we have been a second tier side – again a level where we were never so reluctant to look to youth as we are now.

Also, I would argue that as the number of South Wales born youngsters in the Cardiff side has dried up, so their influence in the Welsh senior side has grown. Ryan Giggs, Craig Bellamy, Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey are among the best players ever produced by this country in many people’s eyes and they were all born in, or very close to, Cardiff. Furthermore, this era, possibly the most successful in Wales’ history, includes players such as Joe Ledley, Chris Gunter and James Collins who all started off at City and are, as with the four others just mentioned, from Cardiff and its surrounding area.

Therefore, far from a bleak period, this is something of a boom time for football talent produced in this area and yet, after, playing an active part in the early days of what has been something of a renaissance for the Welsh national team, Cardiff City representation has been conspicuous by it’s absence in recent years. Is this because the kids at Cardiff just aren’t good enough or are they being held back for some reason in a manner they have never been before?

I’ll finish on something of an optimistic note by saying that Coxe, James Waite and Lloyd Humprhies, who are all members of the Under 23 side that came through the club’s Academy have travelled to Gillingham as part of a nineteen man squad for tomorrow’s FA Cup tie. Given City’s ongoing problems in the right back position, I’d say Coxe should start the game, but it’s more likely to be Lee Peltier I suppose and I wonder if we will see any of the young trio playing a part?

I hope I’m wrong, but my guess is that we won’t. Even if we do, the day when there will be a  Welsh presence in the Cardiff City line up for “bread and butter” league games still seems an awful long way away – I find that not only sad, but also short sighted and, in the end, counter productive.

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6 Responses to Tracing Cardiff City’s complete change of character through two matches against Tottenham Hotspur.

  1. Geoff Lewis says:

    Paul, Many thanks for those memories. In 1955, I was 11 years old,playing soccer for my local team at Ely Racecourse. Our pitch was in the far corner towards Leckwith, and we could hear the groans coming from the crowd at Ninian Park, and soon realised that Cardiff were getting hammered. I started watching the City back in 1953, lots of Welsh boys in the side in those days Ron Howells goalkeeper , Alf Sherwood full back ,welsh international, the flamboyant Billy Baker half back and that great centre forward Trevor Ford. Over the years other Welsh Internationals would join Cardiff. John and Mel Charles, Mike England and the best inside foward(except for Ian Gibson) I seen play for Cardiff Ivor Allchurch.
    I was telling a friend of mine on Tuesday, about how the Welsh rugby team beat Ireland in the afternoon, and Cardiff City under floodlights beat the mighty Spurs 3-2.
    I was seventeen at the time and he was one year old. What a night, nearly as good as beating Real Madrid. The dream was over it would not happen that evening, we were thrashed 3-0. thanks

  2. Colin Phillips says:

    Thanks for the trip down memory lane, Paul.

    Like Geoff I was at both games and beating Spurs that night was, by far, my most memorable moment watching sport; me and my friend were directly in line with Derek Hogg’s shot that went in at far post to win the game.What a night!

    Tomorrow’s cup game seems an ideal opportunity to give some of our first team a much needed rest and a chance to see if any of our youngsters are up to the challenge. Come on Neil, give youth a chance.

  3. Richard Holt says:

    An interesting read Paul, and an issue which I’ve felt has been a problem at the club for the last decade. I was reminded of the answer to a quiz question I set a few years ago which was that during the whole of the 20th century we only played six league games without at least one Welshman in our team compared to 39 in the 14/15 season alone. Since then the comparison has become even more stark. Not since January 20th last year has a Welsh player begun a league game for City and Jazz Richards is a Swansea product anyway.
    Of course, as you say, to compare the way football operates now to the early 60’s is comparing chalk with cheese particularly at top-flight level. I think I remember reading that 8 of the main starting 11 of the Burnley side which finished champions in 1960 were born within 25 miles of Turf Moor. Nevertheless most other sides do seem, even now to be able to have at least one or two home produced players in their first -team squads. Whether our problem lies in our ability to recruit the raw talent in the first place or our inability to nurture any talent we do find, I don’t know – you probably have as good an idea as anyone Paul given the number of youth and academy games you attend. I sense though that producing young players is not as high a priority as it should be amongst the hierarchy of the club.
    Incidentally, 60/61 was my first season as a proper supporter and saw all those games you mentioned. I still have the stool my dad made for me to stand on for the Spurs game. Being pernickety though I’m sad to report that we didn’t beat Everton 3-1 that season. The home game finished 1-1, Johnny Watkins equalising a 3rd minute goal from Billy Bingham.

  4. anthony o'brien says:

    Paul,
    A wonderful trip down memory lane as I recall the players you mention. Nostalgia is probably better in the memory than it was at the time, but there was certainly a sense of belonging as the Cardiff players, mainly Welsh and born near Cardiff to boot, performed on the Ninian Park pitch. There was, in those halcyon days, a sense of unity between players and fans and an extra dimension between those born locally.

    I remember Colin Baker getting a huge laugh from the crowd when he caught a high ball after the whistle had gone and brought his foot down as if he was making a mark on the rugby field. Also, there was the time that Derrick Sullivan asked me to go down to the local shop and buy a packet of fags for him. This would doubtless be front-line news if it happened today. Then there was Ron Stitfall, as hard as teak on the field but a very sporting and accessible gentleman off it. And it wasn’t only Welsh players, of course. I notice that Richard Holt mentions Johnnie Watkins above. Not only was he a good cricket player, he was exceptional at volleying the ball with his trusted left foot. Brian Walsh would go down the wing, beat a man, and cross to the far post, where Johnnie Watkins would be waiting with his left leg ready cocked before blasting the ball into the net to send us all into rapture.

    It’s sad to realise that Welsh talent no longer makes its way into the Cardiff first team. But, the crowds are Welsh, and I think it would be a good idea, as someone recently suggested, to have a few lines from Men of Harlech on the big screen so we could all join in. The willingness must surely be there, otherwise why would a some of the Welsh national anthem burst forth as the fans urge Cardiff on. My only negative to this is that the screens should be a lot bigger, as per the biggest clubs.

    And there could — and should — be a definite policy of recruiting and developing Welsh talent. I’ve always thought that Vincent Tan, in his early days with Cardiff, called for the club to sign Welsh players. I suppose it’s a bit ambitious to go for Gareth Bale or Aaron Ramsey, but there are other young players with Welsh connections whom we could have gone for in recent months, even if only on loan.

    As for Craig Bellamy, he was bound to upset certain tender hearts with his directness and no -punches-pulled personality, but I hope his current problem is rapidly sorted and he can concentrate once more in nurturing young Welsh talent.

  5. bja says:

    Good morning Paul and others – I’m not sure that I’m over the humiliation of New Year’s day yet, and the news that Clyne has signed for the rest of the season for the ‘Cherries’ has not done much for my humour. Nor in fact that we are allegedly after the mis=firing Niasse and wandering Santini. Oh well, que sera.
    Tremendous article as always. The references by others to the infamous Wolves match and triumphant Spurs victory brought back memories for I, too was at both. Some brief research carried out this morning shows that in the City’s squad of 3o players for season 55/56 (the season of our thrashing by Wolves) there were 18 Welsh born players, many of whom were locally born. Clearly, circumstances are different now with the influx of ‘foreigners’ now plying there trade here, most I suspect for the money, but I believe that clubs, not just our own, are at fault as they seek instant success by signing the ready made player and are so unwilling to give opportunities to the ‘promising’ teenager within their ranks.
    In fairly recent times, we had two such individuals, O’Sullivan and Wharton. At the time I thought both had a good future in the game, but did not really have many first team chances. Not sure where either are now – a shame.
    Our current Academy team seems to be prospering, although they could do without the present controversy. But it is good to see that three of our youngsters are making the trip to Kent this afternoon. I just hope that at least one will have some game time. The comparative success of this team must mean that we are doing something right, but I have no idea of the involvement of NW in their operations. Does he watch their matches? I hope that he does as that surely would inspire the youngsters to perform to their highest standard.
    I believe that we are at a most critical point in our season. It is acknowledged by all that the team needs strengthening but not by wasting money. So if it is that we do not yet have the talent to promote from within just yet, I hope that we are able to attract players who are better than currently, and by doing so, retain our Premiership status. This may well induce more talented youngsters, local would be good, to consider us an attractive proposition for their future, and who knows, we may well one day be able to sing “???????, he’s one of our own”.

  6. The other Bob Wilson says:

    I’m glad the response to this piece was a positive one and that it appears that at least some people enjoyed reading it – I enjoyed writing it because it struck me as a good way of making a point which I believe is a very big one at Cardiff City currwently while also enjoying a bit of nostalgia.
    Geoff, my mother, but not my father, was at that Wolves match and she told me she always disliked Billy Wright from that day because he kept on at his team for more despite them being so many goals in front.
    Colin, the Spurs game was about two and a half years before I saw my first game and, as neither of my parents were there either, it’s not a match which I’ve heard a great deal about (I’ve had more conversations about Cartdiff 1 Wolves 9 than Cardiff 3 Spurs 2!), so it’s great to hear that you enjoyed the match so much.
    Richard, I don’t know what I was doing with that Everton result – thanks for pointing it out and I’ve altered what I wrote accordingly to reflect that we also beat sixth placed Leicester and seventh placed Manchester United at home that season. That quiz question you mention is never far from my thoughts when I think about how the club has changed in recent years – it’s the best way of making that point that I know and I’ve used it again on the messsageboard this morning.
    Anthomy, given the use the club make of Men of Harlech, I would have thought they’d welcome your idea of putting the words to it on the screens during games. Regarding signign Welsh players, I have my doubts as to whether Harry Wilson will remain a Welsh player for much longer and I can see him moving to a Premier League club either permanently or on loan next season. I’d love that club to be us if we stay up.
    BJA, I agree with you entirely about the “let’s go out and buy someone” attitude which prevails at so many clubs, including Cardiff, these days when a vacancy arises in the first team. The three players who are involved with the senior team today are all too old to play for the Under 18s now, so, in any ways, Neil Warnock is looking on the Under 23 as a reserve team and it’s good to see some evidence that the conveyor belt which takes Under 18 players into the Under 23 team does not stop completely at that stage because there have been plenty of times in recent years when I thought it did! As for O’Sullivan and Wharton, they are both at Hereford now according to someone on the messageboard I use who is very good at finding out about that sort of thing – apparently, one came off the bench to replace the other last weekend! O’Sullivan and Wharton are two names which tend to come up when people are making the argument that none of the players in the Academy in recent years have been good enough to play for the first team. My answer to that is that part of a good youth coach or manager’s job should be to be able to recognise the optimum time to introduce good players to senior football on a more regular basis – I reckon the optimum moment for those two players was quite a few years before they eventually left the club after seasons of stagnation.

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