Pretending that the FA Cup defeat in January doesn’t count, City go looking for a seventh straight win at the City Ground on Sunday afternoon before a testing looking trip to Coventry on Wednesday as the fixtures come thick and fast again before the next international break. That means plenty more quizzes, here’s the first – seven questions about Nottingham Forest dating back to the 60s – I’ll post the answers on here on Sunday.
60s. Sorry New York lab connection to a man with a unique place in York City’s history (5,5)?
70s. This defender enjoyed the better of things in his fairly frequent encounters with City while playing for Forest during this decade. Forest were his first club and he made just short of a hundred league appearances for them – he was also loaned out to a couple of lower league clubs, neither of which needed too long a journey for him to join up with them. He moved on permanently in 1976 playing for a couple of sides with just a field between them, before dropping into non league football – he played for and managed a bunch of Seadogs and the team you would have played for if you were in the Sweeney. but who is he?
80s. My main memory of this defender now is of him being the villain of the piece in a big game, but that’s unfair really because he had a long and pretty distinguished career. Starting off in a place where it’s sometimes claimed that the sun doesn’t shine at certain times of year, he then played on both sides of a rivalry as he followed his manager from one to the other. Forest were his next club and he was pretty much a regular for them during his two years there, but, despite moves to one of Britain’s most famous resorts, the home of a Partridge and the place which housed the Reynolds Arena, age had caught up with him and he retired in 1984, name him.
90s. This diminutive winger spent most of his career playing on a peninsula – nearly always with clubs from the country of his birth, but he did cross the border once to play for a team which it might be said has a bank named after it. He also played for two English sides, Forest were, briefly and unsuccessfully, the second of those teams, but he did better during another pretty short stay in London when Forest were one of four sides he scored against. Despite only winning three international caps, the first of which ended in defeat by the Republic of Ireland, he did make his country’s party for two major tournaments, do you know who he is?
00s. One of this pair of strikers was playing in the Premier League in 19/20, while the other was still scoring in the Championship that season, yet they played as a partnership for Forest in at least one match against City during this decade, who are they?
10s. He lost in his three meetings with City in this decade while a Forest player and has only just returned to his present, Premier League, club after a brush with Covid which saw him lose five kilos and be put on a drip during a hospital stay, who?
20s. Portugese commuter in the Forest midfield maybe?
Answers
60s. Barry Lyons, who scored York City’s first ever goal in the Second Division in August 1974, a year after he joined them from Forest where he played over two hundred league games in a five year stint at the City Ground.
70s. John Cottam had two wins and two draws from his four encounters with City while playing for Forest. After loan spells with Mansfield and Lincoln, Cottam switched to Chesterfield and then Chester after leaving Forest – he had two spells as a manager later in his career, first with Scarborough and then with the Metropolitan Police.
80s. Willie Young started his career with Aberdeen in 1969, before signing for Spurs in 1975. Two years later, he followed manager Terry Neill to Arsenal and he was involved in an incident in the 1980 FA Cup Final with West Ham when he cynically chopped down Paul Allen when he looked to be through on goal – from memory, that incident played a part in a change which saw such professional fouls punished by a red card. Young signed for Forest in 1981 and there were short and unsuccessful spells with Brighton, Norwich and Darlington before he retired at the age of thirty five.
90s. Hugo Porfirio was loaned to West Ham by Sporting Lisbon in 96/97 and two years later, while at Benfica, he was loaned out to Forest as they ended up bottom of the Premier League in 98/99. Pofirio, who also played for Racing Santander at one time, made his debut for Portugal in a 1-0 defeat in Dublin in a warm up game for Euro 96 where he made a single appearance when he came on as a sub in a win over Turkey. Porfirio retained his place in the squad for the 1996 Olympics without playing a part in the tournament and his final cap came later that year against Ukraine.
00s. David McGoldrick was in Sheffield United’s Premier League side in 19/20 (he was in 20/21 as well) and Joe Garner was still scoring for Wigan in the Championship that season. McGoldrick and Garner were the pair of strikers in the Forest team which drew 1-1 at Cardiff City Stadium in November 2009.
10s. Newcastle’s Karl Darlow.
20s. Forest midfielder Cafu shares his name with the superb Brazilian wing back who was nicknamed “the Commuter” by Roma fans as a tribute to his non stop movement up and down the right flank during games.
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I said in my piece on the Belarus game that I would make a big supposition and assume Wales would be able to win their three remaining matches against the group’s weakest teams Belarus and Estonia, but I’m afraid that, with a team as short of goal power as this one is (it’s now sixteen goals scored in our last nineteen matches), I really should know better than to say such things.
Apart from the 3-1 win over a Finnish side that had a player sent off after ten minutes, Wales’ successful Nations League campaign was founded on a series of dull games where we hardly looked like scoring until we got the late goal which won us the three points and the home win over the Czech Republic in this World Cup qualifying group offered more of the same.
No side can live off such thin pickings indefinitely and tonight, against a team ranked 110th in the world, Wales’ attacking shortcomings were exposed as Estonia took their first point of their campaign with a 0-0 draw in which they came closest to scoring in the first half (Mattias Kait hitting the cross bar from twenty yards as Wales suffered another first half fade out) and could have pinched a win with a couple of late opportunities.
An Estonia win would have been an injustice mind, because, once Wales finally got an effort on target after a turgid hour, there were plenty more that followed and luck didn’t go their way when, after Estonia’s teenage keeper Karl Hein had made one of a number of good saves by blocking a Gareth Bale shot, the captain’s follow up header rebounded off an upright and out.
Estonia defended doggedly and their goalkeeper had a good night, but this is a team that had conceded a total of fifteen goals in losing matches against the Czech Republic, Belarus and Belgium – they aren’t a good side and they’ll probably lose their return matches with those three teams, but tonight they’ll have no reason not to believe that they can do the same again to Wales when they travel to Tallin next month.
Three or four years ago, I used to look at all the young, technically gifted, attacking players we had coming through and think that we’ll be scoring for fun around the time of the 2022 World Cup, but, for different reasons (David Brooks, like Aaron Ramsey, plays so few games for us due to injury that you tend to forget about him these days) most of them have flattered to deceive.
Dan James is the type of winger that tends to stay out wide and so he needs to be fed the ball as opposed to him going looking for it. Consequently, he can be quiet in games, but he showed again in the closing stages tonight that he definitely has something at this level, so I’d say he’s the only one of that younger attacking set that is fulfilling his early promise.
Of the others, Harry Wilson has shown on plenty of occasions that he is a very gifted technical player, but he is so one footed, as he showed within the first minute tonight as Chris Gunter’s best contribution of the match saw him burst down the right and cross low to Wilson who was clear of the last defender, but, as Danny Gabbidon observed in commentary, it was a ball which should have been taken with the right foot, instead Wilson opted to use his left and his shot drifted harmlessly wide – score that and the night would probably have turned into the comfortable victory it should have been.
Shortly after Bale’s header had forced Arsenal’s Hein into the first of his saves with the first on target effort by either side in the game, Tyler Roberts was played through by Joe Morrell I think it was, but, not for a second, did I have any faith in him scoring and Hein was able to make a fairly simple save. Roberts is another of those neat attacking players we specialise in, but he’s still seeking a role in the team – Wales have tended to use him up front, but no goals in seventeen caps I think it is now rather tells a story.
The fact of the matter is that, record scorer Bale apart, Wales’ most effective attacking player recently is someone who has spent the majority of his career playing in the lower divisions or in non league football, someone whose selection for his first cap was greeted by the words “Keiffer who?” – Wales are hardly free scoring when he plays, but Mr Moore’s importance to them was proved again in the last week despite him not having kicked a ball for the team.
There’s not much more I can say about the game really, except that Rob Page stuck with Allen/Morrell midfield combination and, although they both did some very good things in isolated incidents, they didn’t impress me as a partnership and haven’t done so for quite some time now.
With Matt Smith and Dylan Levitt having done so well in Finland a week ago, I’m somewhat baffled as to why, firstly, we’ve seen nothing of those two since then and, secondly, Allen and Morrell played the full ninety minutes of both of our competitive matches despite them struggling physically as early as the first half against Belarus.
It seems Jonny Williams influences international matches more than he does club games these days and I can understand to a degree why he was brought on after Wilson departed after thirty six minutes following a collision with Hein where he appeared to suffer a head injury. It seems to me however, that he is someone who is good for a twenty to thirty minute appearance – increasingly, he had nothing to offer as his sixty five minutes on the pitch ticked by.
It needs to be emphasized of course that Wales have been in a state of flux or maybe even inertia since Ryan Giggs stepped aside in November of last year and Rob Page’s record in that time of six wins, five draws and four defeats with thirteen goals scored and fifteen conceded is not a bad one. However, I don’t believe it’s quite enough to keep him in the job if and when Giggs leaves formally because, while that poor goals for figure received a boost on Sunday thanks to Bale’s hat trick which contained two penalties, it’s definitely on a downward curve. Also, after a long period where we were very tight defensively, we’ve started to concede two’s three’s and fours, something which was almost unheard of in the latter years of the 2010s.
It’s a testimony to how good a player Joe Allen was for us that the decline in his performance levels, entirely due to a combination of injury and the ageing process, is seeing us look much more porous as our midfield struggles, and often fails, to keep up with the pace and movement of our opponents. There was plenty of evidence of this on Sunday and it was there again, albeit to a lesser extent, tonight as out lowly opponents had the better of things in the closing stages of the first half as Wales, again, faded badly after a good start. The similarities didn’t end there either, because the first fifteen minutes of the second period saw us struggling badly to raise a slow and unimaginative tempo.
The introduction of Mark Harris again coincided with an improvement in the Welsh performance, but Page came across as limited tactically and in his use of substitutions against opponents that tired an awful lot in the last ten minutes or so. It’s this sort of thing which just leaves those question marks when it comes to Page’s suitability for doing the job he’s doing now as a caretaker on a full time basis.
For me, the onus is on Ryan Giggs to force the issue now by resigning as manager because this limbo is not doing anyone any good. While I appreciate that he is innocent in the eyes of the law until proven guilty and so him hanging on is justified to some degree, the honourable thing would be to step aside with the realisation that he is young enough to return to the job in the future if he is exonerated with his reputation intact. For now though, we’re in a position where our qualifying hopes are being damaged and there can be no medium to long term planning – also, it’s not really fair to Robert Page to leave things as they are.
A far better result came from the under 21s who, after only drawing against Moldova at home in their first game in their qualifying group for the age group version of the Euros, went to Bulgaria and won 4-0 – Blackburn’s Jack Vale scored a hat trick and Crewe’s Billy Sass Davies got the other one. Sam Bowen played the full ninety minutes, while there was a first cap for Isaak Davies who came on for the last few minutes – Keenan Patten and Kieron Evans were unused subs.
Taylor Jones was in the Wales Under 19 team which ended their programme in the four team tournament they have been competing in over the past week with a 2-2 draw with Turkey thanks to a penalty equaliser scored in added time, but it was the only point they ended up with after earlier losses to Croatia and Austria.
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