Seven decades of Cardiff City v Stoke City matches.

Before the quiz, I’d just like to do a very quick round up of events this week. There were two games of interest on Tuesday, first City’s Under 23s maintained their one hundred per cent winning record by coming out on top by 2-1 at Ipswich with goals by Taylor Jones and Chanka Zimba after what would appear to have been a tough battle in which they had to do a lot of defending.

There was no streaming of the game and I’ll repeat something I said in a messageboard post this week – City have, rightly, been getting a lot of stick in the last month or two, but they should be given full credit, not only for streaming all Under 23 home games free of charge, but also for allowing free entry to all of those who want to watch the match “in the flesh”.

Given the way that the fixtures have gone this season with a lot of home matches early on, it is to be hoped that some of the teams we’re going to be traveling to in the coming weeks will stream matches – we’ve only got two more home games this side of Christmas.

A few hours later a record crowd for a Women’s international in this country of just under five and a half thousand was at Cardiff City Stadium to watch Wales continue their promisng start to their World Cup qualifying campaign with a 4-0 win over Estonia.

The visitors (who had lost 11-0 in France a few days earlier) offered little other than dogged defence with the amazing match stats (eighty per cent possession to Wales, thirty one goal attempts to nil in their favour and fourteen corners with none gained by the visitors) an eloquent testimony to how one sided it was. Maybe Wales could be criticised for not scoring more, but I thought it was an encouraging and quite entertaining performance with the goals coming from Angharad James, Helen Ward, Tash Harding and captain Sophie Ingle.

Meanwhile, there’s plenty of speculation as to who could be City’s next manager. Chris Wilder had been favourite in the betting, but that always seemed unlikely to me and the media seem to have cooled on that rumour in the last couple of days.

Clearly, all of the names being linked could be completely wide of the mark, but, for me at least, it’s encouraging that many of those being mentioned as possibilities are young coaches or assistant managers with a good reputation when it comes to youth development for whom it would be a first managerial job.

This comes on top of of rumours that Vincent Tan is open to the idea of a younger man taking over this time, but, for now, there’s nothing to indicate that the timetable given by the club, with a formal appointment being delayed until the next international break, is likely to change.

Anyway, on to the quiz which is in the usual format with questions relating to our next opponents from the last seven decades – I’ll post the answers on Sunday.

60s. A “chopper” before the Chelsea version, this defensive midfielder was most famous for his time with his home town club who employed his mother as laundry lady for thirty years. He played for his country four times with three of his caps coming at a World Cup Finals tournament and was described as mad by one of his coaches at Stoke where he spent a couple of seasons towards the end of his career. Not averse to headbutting opponents when he knew the referee wasn’t watching, he was unbeaten against City in his encounters with them while at Stoke, can you name him?

70s. This man played for one of the two teams in the city of his birth and had a hate, hate relationship with the other side. Derby games saw him involved in a number of incidents including admitting he would have been sent for a spell in jail if team mates had not pulled him away after he had grabbed the opposition’s star player by the throat, refusing to leave the field after being sent off by Clive Thomas in a derby game and having policemen visit his home before another match between the two sides to say they were taking a death threat against him, that had been received by a local paper, seriously. When the other team dropped out of the division, he said he was sorry because it meant his side had lost a guaranteed four points a season! He also played for Stoke twice against City during this decade, finishing on the winning side on both occasions, but can you name him?

80s. There were four past or future England internationals involved for Stoke in the one game they played against us during this decade, name them.

90s. Diagnosed with type one diabetes at twenty one, he went on to work in Macedonia and Cyprus after retiring from playing and managed to rack up the highest winning percentage of any manager at the club he was working for in the latter of those two countries. He also played against Stoke for City during this decade, who is he?

00s. Masonic symbol from high up Midlands spa town?

10s. Involved in a drama set in Chile (7,4).

20s. He scored his first career goal in an FA Cup win over Swansea as an eighteen year old. Until this season, it was his only career goal, but he’s scored a couple this season for Stoke, he’s also an England Under 20 international who was part of a Toulon trophy winning squad, do you know his name?

Answers.

60s. Eddie Clamp played over two hundred league matches for Wolves during eight years at the club and played in all three of England’s matches at the 1958 World Cup. Moving on to Arsenal in 1961, Clamp was signed by future City manager George Swindin, but when his former Wolves team mate and captain Billy Wright took over as boss, Clamp found himself surplus to requirements and signed for Stoke a year later. Stoke were promoted in Clamp’s first season with them which saw his team draw 1-1 at Ninian Park and triumph 1-0 at the Victoria Ground and he was a fairly regular choice in the first team in their first season back in the top flight before an unsuccessful end to his Football League career with Peterborough.

70s. Mike Doyle was incensed by a bad tackle by George Best which broke his friend and team mate Glyn Pardoe’s leg in two places in a Manchester derby and said he lost it completely afterwards as grabbed Best by the throat. He was also sent off along with Lou Macari in a later derby game and both players refused to leave the pitch causing Clive Thomas to lead both teams off and stop the game until both players had been locked in their side’s dressing room. Doyle signed for Stoke in 1978 after sixteen years at Maine Road and was in their sides which won 2-0 at home and 3-1 at Ninian Park in 78/79 as his team clinched promotion to the First Division.

80s. Lee Dixon, Steve Bould and Brian Talbot were all in the Stoke side which beat us 2-1 at the Victoria Ground in the Fourth Round of the FA Cup in 86/87, while their team was managed by Mick Mills.

90s. Cameron Toshack is a frequent candidate for the award of worst City player ever when that subject is discussed by supporters, but his diagnosis with type one diabetes while with in 91/92 may well have something to do with that. Toshack played five times for City with one of his appearances coming as a substitute in a 3-0 Autoglass Trophy defeat at Stoke in January 1992.

00s. Lewis Buxton was in the Stoke side beaten 3-0 at Ninian Park in February 2006 – a lewis is a device used to help lift heavy stones which is also a device associated with Free Masonry with  Lewis being a name traditionally given to the son of a Mason. Buxton is a spa town in Derbyshire which is England’s highest market town.

10s. Charlie Adam.

20s. Josh Tymon.

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Mehmet Dalman’s extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

A few hours ago, I posted the following message to Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust members;-

For the avoid of any doubt, I posted the following in the Feedback section the day after this piece was published;-

 “I must emphasise that the views expressed in my piece following the message issued by the Trust yesterday are mine alone and not Keith Morgan’s or the Trusts’. I’m a member of the Trust, but I have no authority to speak on its behalf, so I wrote that piece purely as a City fan who writes a blog where I can get my views over to a larger number of fans.”

Note Of Meeting With Mehmet Dalman 23 October 2021

Dear Member,

Representatives of the Trust, Supporters Club, Disabled Supporters Group plus other fans representatives were invited at short notice to a meeting with Mehmet Dalman, Ken Choo and other club representatives at 11.00 am on the morning of the Middlesbrough home game. The meeting was conducted primarily by Mehmet with occasional contributions by Ken. Given the dire form of the team at the moment it was a sobering experience with further bad news about the financial situation the club finds itself in.

In terms of overall finances. MD stated categorically that there would be no transfer funds available for not only the January transfer window but also next summer. As a number of players’ contracts expire this summer it will be challenging for the incumbent manager. MD stated that Vincent Tan is looking to restructure the finances of the club although specific detail of this proposal was not forthcoming. MD reiterated statements he has made in the past that VT has turned down offers to buy the club and restated VT’s wish that, if he does sell, he will wish to part with the club with it in a better position than when he acquired it. MD emphasised throughout how financially reliant the club are on VT.

The future of Mick McCarthy was discussed at length. Questions from the floor were raised about the possibility of a Director of Football. MD stated that it is an idea which he favours and has put the suggestion forward to VT who, after consideration, turned down the proposal. In terms of any decision regarding the future of Mick McCarthy he emphasised that such a decision would be solely in the hands of VT and no-one else. Given that we now know that the Club and MM have parted company, VT’s decision must either have been pre-prepared dependent upon today’s result or sought and communicated very quickly. It was suggested from the floor that, given the success we are currently experiencing at U23 level, Steve Morison could be appointed as an interim measure whilst the club sorted out a long term replacement. MD pointed out, given the real risk of relegation, the inherent risks of such an approach. As we now know that is exactly what has happened so we can only assume that the club has risk assessed that approach.

MD gave his assessment of the legal cases currently facing the club. In terms of the court case currently taking place in Cardiff re the arrangements for the fatal flight carrying Emiliano Sala.  He commented on the fact that the evidence was confirming the link directly from the deceased pilot to Henderson to Willie McKay who was acting on behalf of Nantes FC. MD stated that, should the club’s appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) be unsuccessful, the possibility then would exist for an action in the French courts against Nantes FC for the negligent flight arrangements. Interestingly, MD stated categorically that both he and KC were opposed to the transfer of Emiliano Sala and that Neil Warnock had gone over their heads and appealed directly to VT persuading him to approve the transfer which he duly did. MD was asked from the floor why the club was dealing with McKay who had lost his status as a football agent and had also been declared bankrupt. MD’s only answer to that question was that the world of football was full of people like him.

The Michael Isaacs case concerns the dilution of his shareholding by VT’s significant conversion of debt to equity. MD was somewhat dismissive of this action in that Michael Isaac’s valuation of his shareholding would vastly overvalue the club as an entity, mostly a loss-making entity !

In terms of the Sam Hammam case. He implied that Peter Ridsdale was acting in concert with Sam Hammam against the club. If any EFL club are involved in significant litigation the EFL requires that is informed of developments. MD suggested that Ridsdale’s position on the board of the EFL could lead to a conflict of interest.

In response to a question from the floor MD confirmed that he receives no salary from the club in his position as Chairman.

Fans present were critical of the level of communication with supporters and MD mentioned the possibility of quarterly online meetings. It was also suggested from the floor that an invite be sent to social media outlets such as those who run fan messageboards so that they receive factual updates rather than misleading interpretations that often get posted.

One of the consistent themes throughout the meeting was the absolute control of VT over all matters of significance. MD described the Cardiff City Board as being “unique” in that it dominated by the owner and (virtually) 100% shareholder. As I have already mentioned MD stated that change of manager decision was in the hands of VT, all major decisions require the rubber stamp of VT even down to style of football.

Apparently VT favours the “direct” style of football which has been a feature of our play in recent times. The fact that this contrasts significantly with the style of football played by our successful Development teams and may risk us not hanging on to our most promising players was pointed out from the floor

Keith Morgan

Chair”

I find this an astonishingly frank document which raises a number of questions, for example;-

Was our Chairman telling the truth?

Unless or until someone in a position to be able to dispute what was said comes forward, I don’t think there’s any question to be answered here, the assumption has to be that what Mr Dalman says is the truth.

What does the stuff about our finances mean?

When it comes to financial matters, as someone whose interest in such things stretches only to how the limited amount of money I have can make make myself and those dependent on me as comfortable as possible, I’m the last person who should be attempting to answer that question.

However, I can’t help thinking people far more knowledgeable about such things than me would struggle to come up with an answer, because there’s not a great deal being said and what we do learn only invites more questions.

The point has been made a few times that Vincent Tan’s business empire has taken something of a hit during the pandemic, so the sort of cost cutting summer City have just gone through did not come as a total shock, but why the need for such drastic expenditure cuts in January and through next summer as well?

Also, what is meant by “refinancing” and why is it deemed necessary that additional funding has to be provided through that channel? Furthermore, how on earth will this refinancing enable Vincent Tan to have the club in a better position when he leaves than when he acquired it?

Is there an admission in there that all of the senior players who are out of contract this summer will not be offered new deals?

The answer to that would appear to be yes. Presumably, this will not come as a total shock to the men concerned, because, surely, they will have been made aware of this some time ago? That being the case, it offers a possible partial reason why the performance of so many of the older players has been so disappointing this season and it also asks serious questions as to what we can expect from those players over the coming months – even in the rare event of the Board getting the decision right regarding the new manager.

Why has Mehmet Dalman rubbished the idea of us having a Director of Football before when he now says he’s in favour of us having one?

I can only assume that he was representing the views of Vincent Tan in his previous utterances on the subject, but then why does he choose now to let people know his own thoughts on the subject?

A theme throughout the notes of the meeting is the Chairman’s desire to get over the point that our owner is in total control of the club. However, this is not the only time when Mr Dalman talks about his view being different from Vincent Tan’s and through them all I find myself asking “Why now?”. The only answer I can think of is that it’s an attempt to avoid blame from supporters and, presumably, that applies to Ken Choo as well, because, although he didn’t have a great deal to say at the meeting apparently, his presence at the meeting would appear to indicate backing for what Dalman was saying.

Emiliano Sala questions.

I’d heard the line about Neil Warnock going over the heads of Messrs Dalman and Choo in persuading Vincent Tan to agree to the Sala signing a couple of times before in 2019, so it doesn’t come as a total shock, but it is an explosive allegation which also backs up a few rumours I’d heard regarding our former manager’s relationship with the people in the club hierarchy he was most frequently in contact with. However, I suppose that it is something of a side issue to the financial implications for the club in the event of the appeal to the Court of Arbitration in Sport verdict regarding City’s liability regarding the £15 million transfer fee being turned down.

From what Mr Dalman had to say, it appears that an unsuccessful appeal will not be the end of this matter which has now dragged on for close to three years, I suppose a further case in the French courts makes sense from the club’s viewpoint, but it does leave a bit of a sour taste in the mouth.

I’d also just add that Dalman’s answer regarding the club’s willingness to work with the bankrupt and “disbarred” former football agent Willie McKay comes over as terribly weak.

Does the possibility of Peter Ridsdale acting “in concert” with Sam Hammam sound plausible?

We’re talking about a long time ago now, but, judging how relations were between the two men in the mid to late noughties, my answer would be no – that said, it does seem fair to raise the matter of a possible conflict of interests on Mr Ridsdale’s part.

Did Vincent Tan know about some of the revelations by his Chairman beforehand and how would he feel about them being made now?

Strangely enough, I’d only speculated about the possibility of Vincent Tan being the driving force behind the miserable, outdated, cumbersome and ultimately unsuccessful style of football we’ve been playing for the last ten years or so on a City messageboard last week – it all makes sense when you consider previous comments from our owner about goalkeepers not shooting etc! Again though, the phrase “blame avoidance” springs to mind when considering what our Chairman has to say.

That said, it does paint a bleak picture which, together with the comments on a Director of Football, leaves me feeling that little is going to change in the coming weeks regarding the style of play and the type of manager we go for (Tony Pulis would complete the set wouldn’t he).

Moving on to the questions I asked above, I must admit that I find it hard to believe that Vincent Tan would be overly pleased about what Mehmet Dalman had to say about him yesterday because it hardly paints him in the best light does it.

It rather raises the question as to how relations are currently at the top end of things at the club and it will be fascinating to see if Vincent Tan has anything to say in the coming days about the Chairman’s comments – if he hasn’t, then I suppose it means he’s alright with them.

Whatever the answer, you can only think that the normal level of decision making and general management of a modern day football club that we’ve seen from the Cardiff hierarchy in the last decade will, almost certainly, not be enough this time – I believe more of the same sees us relegated this season

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