Cardiff left to rue Bogle’s lack of discipline.

13 Responses to Cardiff left to rue Bogle’s lack of discipline.

1. Barry Cole says:

   November 5, 2017 at 7:25 am

   Like you Paul I believe the wrong team was picked and that along with the sending off lost us a game we should have won.
   I not into the blame culture because like you there is a feeling that tomlin is still feeling the effects of the court case and in that instance should not have even been part of the game.
   The problem lies in midfield and with the role that Bamba is playing it leaves a lot of work for ralls and Bryson to do. It did seem that we were actually giving a little too much respect to Bristol city by playing what virtually was three centre backs.
   Whether NW is struggling who to drop from the 2 in 3 scenario may be the answer but the 3 centre halves only work against certain teams and a depleted Bristol city team was not one of them. Especially when the second goal was scored and none of our three centre halves were to be seen.
   So I would have gone with a back four and drafted damour into midfield. The 4-3-3 would have been far better and although we bossed the first 20 odd minutes the first sight of goal by Bristol resulted in just that, a goal.
   Mendes Lang going off should have brought on ward, you are spot on there Paul . I don’t just see what feeney brings to the team that’s a little bit extra .
   Inn regards to the ref I really think booking peltier early on left him in a awkward position and he bottled the sending off of pack which made him look rather silly. But like NW I have no qualms that Bogle had to go but at that time it should have been 10 a piece.
   Ward was brought on a ran his socks off again but he still misses vital chances indicating that he isn’t quite at the pace of the game. Had he have come on earlier who knows.
   Then to bring tomlin on instead of damour seemed an odd choice considering he was returning to his old club after the court case which had affected him
   I rest my case
2. Jeff Blight says:

   November 5, 2017 at 8:31 am

   The footballing gods certainly did not smile upon us yesterday and I agree with all of your comments guys, especially those revolving around the 3 centre halfs and Bryson.

   The international break has come at a good time for us, hopefully most of our key players will return from injury.

   Pity that Bogle will have to miss the next 3 games as he looks a natural goalscorer and an adequate replacement for Zohore.

   It doesn’t get any easier as I was very impressed with Brentford in the highlights that I saw, Leeds got off lightly as the Bees missed a penalty and hit the woodwork twice and looked a very good footballing side.

   If Cardiff have genuine hopes of achieving automatic promotion our management
   have to revert back to the dynamic attacking style we employed earlier this season and a midfield of Gunna, Damour and Tomlin is the best combination we have.
3. Russell says:

   November 5, 2017 at 9:02 am

   Thanks Paul like you I’m off the radio grid this weekend .

   I thought we might grab a winner or at least a draw so not able to comment ,I read with intrest comments who did attend and those comments weren’t glowing, although not as bad as the Brum game.

   I think your right about the midfielders and energy around the age of 30 ,and even Ledley would slip into that window, and those young and energetic midfielders would be grabbed by bigger clubs , perhaps loans are the answer.

   Few things we must find a solution to though, Bamba in midfielder because he has to play him and Manga somewhere ??

   Why no Manga at full back or midfield.

   Gunnerson back will force this change , so what happens then as he and Ralls do have enegy.

   Does Ralls and Gunner energy allow us to pick Tomlin ,who let’s be fair is a creative midfielder, whose skills we need to enhance our danger in the box .

   Does Jordon Mitch have a club?? he was a good box to box ,but may now be ageing.?

   Like to see Bennett back asap , and Patterson perceived with somewhere.

   Need Zohore back, or when Ward does plays we adopt a different tactic as Ward is no big front man .

   Returning to Manga I do wonder if a bid will come in for him in a January and if Warnock would be tempted ,considering the surpluses and options at centre back as Connolly ,Patterson , Bamba ,Peltier and Morrison can play there.

   If we sell either Manga or Zohore, or both , the later I think has been tapped up, we may have a 20 million war chest.

   I will watch with intrest Zohore’s activity with the international break upon us ,and his inclusion in the Denmark set up.

   The international break on this occasion is a blessing, equally the inconsistency of clubs below us is very welcomed .

   I now think Wolves have this league sown and only they can lose it.
4. Russell says:

   November 5, 2017 at 9:05 am

   Ooops I meant to agree with Jeff , Damour in for me as well .
5. BJA says:

   November 5, 2017 at 9:06 am

   Good morning Paul and others. I listened o the whole game on Radio Wales, and have seen Sky’s brief highlights of the match and goodness weren’t they brief.
   Bogle’s dismissal seemed correct, but Pack’s two challenges that only brought one yellow were not shown. But from most accounts, the Bristol player may well have been fortunate to stay on the pitch, Warnock being incensed at the time and later.
   The radio commentary mentioned that Bruno was not having his best game, and I well understand what they mean. Now I am a big fan of his, but from time to time, his desire to display footballing skills produces worrying moments, and yesterday, produced more than usual, particularly in the first half. So, I think that I may well have considered removing him and introducing Damour so that we had a more energetic mid-field, and a regular back four (Paterson, Morrison, Bamba and Peltier).
   The loss of Mendez-Laing was a huge blow, but like you I would have preferred Ward as I believe him to offer more threat than Feeney, but our supremo does like wingers, hence the introduction of the latter.
   Bristol’s second goal was scored as a result of our captain not following his man. The Radio Wales team mentioned that Morrison does not always defend these situations as well as he should, and Flint’s goal was a case in point. A great delivery from the corner kick, met by a player on the move with a crunching header. Goalkeeper no chance.
   We did create a couple of chances later on to equalise, free kicks close to the penalty area taken by Tomlin, but it was probably too much to ask for a story book ending.
   So, with a third of the season gone, third position is probably beyond most supporters wildest dreams. With Wolves and Sheff. Utd both having convincing wins, there is a modest points gap opening, but this division is proving difficult for many of the fancied teams to be consistent, with Villa, Derby and Leeds all tasting defeat, the latter from a spirited performance from our next opponents.
   That being the case, just hope that Kenneth, Gunnars, NML and Bennett are available.
6. HarryKirtley'sGhost says:

   November 5, 2017 at 10:53 am

   Thanks Paul, as ever.
   A most thoughful piece from you.
   You are ever so right to refer to NW’s pre-match words of confidence in Mike Jones, as tempting fate somewhat. I too felt as soon as I saw those words on Friday…”oh gosh, I hope these words will come back to bite him”. I prefer the Neil that is always in the ear of the fourth official and complaining about bad decisions.
   And the Neil, that accepts that certain things in football are written in stone, and one is “a referee is always unduly influenced by the home crowd”…and I believe that ALONE is the reason he did not show a second yellow to Pack. He knew that the crowd would be on his back from then on.
   Of course the Bogle red was deserved and never in doubt, but had it been Bogle who was committing Pack’s second yellow, trust me, he would have gone.
   As for his red, I was talking to two friends here in Grimsby last night, and they are not the least surprised. One (a season ticket holding “Town” fan) said…
   “He has bags of energy, a powerful shot, can head the ball half decent, good speed, and never gives up…but he has always had a red mist in his head. Maybe Warnock will get that red mist out of him. But I am not sure that Warnock is a man to set the right example”.
   Bit hard is that. Neil is a very intelligent guy who hopefully will channel Bogle’s energy, deal with the hernia in Bogle’s head, and set the right example by not going berserk himself. That said Neil, don’t go the other way by buttering up refeees. Their egos are already way off the graph.
   I have still never forgotten that disgraceful homer Mike Dean changing “that” decision at the Riverside in that vital game…and moving from a harsh yellow, to an insane red on Dale Stephens, just because he saw the blood on the Boro player’s leg, and thus changing the game before halftime, with Brighton until then the better team…and indeed, were still the better team even with ten men…but alas just failed to get the achieved result (because their best player had been red carded following the ref bowing to crowd booing and Boro players surrounding him). You (Paul) relatively recently lauded Mike Dean …and when you did I reached for my sick bag, because that day Mike Dean achieved a new low for referees.
   I have never forgotten that day at the Riverside. As fans invaded the pitch at the final whistle, I looked at Chris Hughton: what a wonderful dignity he possessed in the most gut-wrenching disappointment of that moment.
   And what wonderful karma exactly 12 months later to see Boro relegated from the EPL, and Brighton take their place.
   And so back to Mike Jones. He just conformed to type. No more no less.
   A couple of other points re your excellent review Paul. I agree that past the age of 30, then whether players have the legs to be a midfield player, is a real doubt. But you also include wingers.
   Wasn’t Stanley Matthews going on 40 in the Matthews Cup Final…? 38 definitely.
   And his greatest period in the game was the last quarter.
   That guy was so fit. I recall seeing him at Ninian in a Stoke shirt when he was fifty…and he was even then leaving City defenders for dead with his pace over the first fifteen yards.
   And a final word on Sean Morrison. Why are people surprised that he cannot defend? He is another Steven Caulker…a chap who if a teacher at school had not said “you are a tall lad, I will make you a centre back”…but instead said “I will make you my centre FORWARD”…it could all have been so different. That is how important P.E. teachers are.
   Both players possess a serious talent for attacking the opposition goal. But managers won’t think outside the square.
7. Richard Holt says:

   November 5, 2017 at 11:00 am

   Thanks for the write-up Paul. Losing to Bristol City is an unpleasant experience at any time even though yesterday’s result was no great shock.
   Most of my thoughts about the game have already been made by yourself and in other comments but is a good time to take stock of our season so far though.
   Obviously being 3rd in the table at this stage is well beyond what most of our expectations were at the start of the season and we all have to be happy with that. However after our ‘blitzkrieg’ start of 15 points in 5 games our following 11 games have yielded just 16 more points. 16 from 11 is mid-table form and I would say that as a mid-table side is pretty much how we are performing at the moment.
   On a more optimistic thought if over the next 30 games we continue to accrue points at the same rate as over the last 11 we would still end the season on the 74/75 point mark. That’s not enough in itself to guarantee a play-off spot but it would only take a small improvement on current form for us to be fairly certain of a top six spot. Another 5 straight wins would help mind !
8. Anthony O'Brien says:

   November 5, 2017 at 11:11 am

   Some time ago I was told that Cardiff City had been within minutes of signing Peter Crouch. If he had joined us he would have given Cardiff a dimension which our current centre forwards do not provide – namely, aerial dominance and effective hold-up play.

   Bogle did quite well yesterday until his moment of madness, but neither he nor Ward (nor Zohore for that matter) can tyrannize hulking defenders.

   The best display I have seen of aerial dominance and effective hold-up play from a centre forward at Cardiff’s ground occurred in May 2012, when Carlton Cole, playing for West Ham, wiped the floor with our central defenders and destroyed our hopes of going to Wembley for the play-offs. He did not run around like a scalded cat but was always the focus for get-out balls from deep.

   Cardiff’s style of play has often cried out for such a player but it has not really been an option this season. Someone like Carlton Cole would have been a godsend yesterday, giving us a viable alternative in attack. I know his outstanding display at Cardiff was five years ago and that he has been something of a flop in recent times, but he still has the physical attributes and experience to play the target man role. Unless I’ve missed something (which is entirely possible) is he still a free agent?
9. Clive Harry says:

   November 5, 2017 at 2:17 pm

   Some interesting comments, many of which I agree with, particularly the Ward rather than Feeney substitution and Damour instead of Bryson suggestions. Also. as Paul knows, I’m not a fan of Peltier – even less so at left back and if Bennett is out I think Ralls would give us more options there and free up a space in midfield.
   However, my main grouse today is refereeing. A few weeks back we had an idiot at Birmingham who turned down a blatant penalty for a kick in the head but conceded it would have been a free kick anywhere else on the pitch! We had another clown against Millwall last week before yesterday’s Premier League referee who perhaps thought he shouldn’t have been there. My main complaint being the non sending off of Bristol’s Pack for a shocking tackle early in the second half which I thought could have been a straight red rather than just a second yellow. However, Mr Jones has apparently said that he took no action because he thought that Pack got a ‘touch’ on the ball!! I wasn’t aware that the rules had been changed so that bad fouls are permissable as long as a player gets a ‘touch’ first. Significantly, Bogle was subsequently correctly sent off for a foul on – Pack! If ever poor decisions influenced the outcome of a game, it was definitely this one.
   Rant over. For once, I think an international break has come at the right time with our injury list.
10. Clive Rymon says:

    November 5, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    Hi Paul,sometimes your going to play games that whatever you do it’s not going to end in a good way,yesterday was no exception,although I thought that we started brightly Mendez with his injury being replaced ,we still were competing well and then all of a sudden we’re a goal down.we managed to get back into the game with a great bit of skill and determination from Hoilett,where it really started to unravel was the Bogle incident,then you had the feeling that it was not going to be our day.

    Can I say that having witness the game at first hand as I have stated many times this team does not know when it’s beaten,in fact towards the end of game we might just have sneaked especially if Tomlins effort had just been a few inches lower.

    We now have a couple of weeks to get some of our injured players into the mix,and I look forward to Brentford with anticipation.
11. Stephen Fairhurst says:

    November 5, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    Just a quick comment after looking at the highlights and seeing the team in our recent home games I feel Peltier in the left back isn’t working and wonder do we have a left sided player from any of the Cardiff squads that will be more natural in that position.
12. MIKE HOPE says:

    November 6, 2017 at 12:12 am

    Our manager has justifiably built a fund of goodwill which currently makes him immune to serious criticism about team selection and tactics.
    I cannot help thinking that a former manager would have been well and truly sladed for some of yesterday’s events.My main concern is that he seems to have too high a regard for the ability of Feeney.Is it because he is brilliant in training or perhaps something to do with the terms of his loan?
    I have no doubt that Pack would have been given a yellow card if he had not already been on a yellow.He certainly took the ball whilst scything through Bamba’s legs and his head holding reaction when the ref signalled a foul suggested that he expected to go.
    My weekend is always ruined when we lose but I am telling myself that I should not feel despondent about this result.
    Had I known that we would be going into this game without Zohore, Gunner and NML (apart from 7 minutes) due to injuries and that we would have to manage with 10 men for about 40 minutes a one goal hit to our goal difference would not have seemed too bad.
    Mind you had I known that the winning goal would be scored by a centre half heading the ball from a long throw-in by an Icelander I would have expected something different!
13. The other Bob Wilson says:

    November 6, 2017 at 8:30 am

    Morning everyone, it looks like the six month sage that is the sale of my house and purchase of a new flat is all going to fall through today (can’t say I’m overly disappointed after learning a few more things about my proposed new home in the past few weeks), so I’m going to be very busy today.
    Thanks for your replies and to quickly answer a couple of questions, Stephen, Rhys Abbruzzese is a specialist left back who is a regular in the Wales Under 21 team this season, but he has been absent from recent Development team matches. I’m hoping he’s been injured, rather than having to step aside to accommodate all of the trialists that have been appearing recently, but he’s some way off the first team yet I’d say.
    Anthony, Carlton Cole is still playing in Indonesian football;-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Cole

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