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    • Jun 22ndMy ten best City managers 1963-2011.

      Now that Dave Jones’ reign as City boss has come to an end, this seems as good a time as any to try to judge where he stands in relation to the other nineteen managers who came before him in the time I have been following the club. The first thing to say is that I have not considered the first of those managers (George Swindin) for my top ten because I can remember next to nothing about the man. Besides that, I have not considered what the various managers did at other clubs, hence there is no place for Frank O’Farrell or Alan Durban (who, believe it or not, did pretty well at Stoke and Sunderland). As I have mentioned before on here, I don’t think there is a great deal of quality in this particular field and, given the problem I had finding someone to put at number 10, it’s tempting to include Malky Mackay on the basis of his initial press conference!

      Before I go on, I thought I’d list all of the managers I have seen at the club in terms of percentage of games won in all competitions because it makes for interesting reading and rather proves the point that results aren’t everything, they need to be looked at in context (e.g. Malky Mackay’s record over the second half of last season);

      Alan Cork 51.1

      Eddie May 43.6

      Dave Jones 41.9

      Lennie Lawrence 41.4

      Frank O’Farrell 39.3

      Frank Burrows 38.7

      Len Ashurst 38.1

      Jimmy Scoular 36.9

      George Swindin 36.6

      Jimmy Andrews 35.0

      Russell Osman 34.5

      Richie Morgan 34.3

      Bobby Gould 33.3

      Billy Ayre 31.8

      Phil Neal 30.3

      Graham Williams 29.4

      Kenny Hibbitt 28.9

      Alan Durban 27.2

      Terry Yorath 25.0

      Jimmy Goodfellow 15.4

      So, on to the top ten and it’ll soon become obvious that I haven’t paid too much attention to the above figures;

       

      10. Bobby Gould

       

      Bobby Gould seen at Ninian Park with another one of the multitude of poor managers we have had down the years, Graham Williams.

      If ever you wanted justification of my oft repeated claim that the quality of managers at Cardiff since 1963 has been very poor, then it has to be the fact that I have had to include him in my top ten. Gould gets in solely because of him being the person who recommended that we bring the likes of Danny Gabbidon, Graham Kavanagh, Peter Thorne, Neil Alexander and Rhys Weston (who were all regulars in the side playing two divisions higher than Gould’s three years later) to the club. His signing of the ungainly, but effective Leo Fortune-West was also something to be put in his plus column, but, in all honesty, someone with a record like his should not be anywhere near a manager’s top ten when you have got nearly half a century’s worth of candidates to choose from – have a look at the ones who missed out on the top ten and tell me who should be in there in his place though?

      9. Alan Cork

      The dream team - Alan Cork, Spencer Prior and Sam Hammam.

      With his monosyllabic  media appearances and his reputation as a long ball merchant, Alan Cork was never able to fully win over City fans. It’s also true to say that the vast majority of the crazy spending that was to bring the club to it’s knees in 2005, was done under Cork’s watch and not all of those big money transfers could be judged as successes either. However, it would be unfair to blame Alan Cork entirely for all of this and, all things considered, he wasn’t too bad a City manager really. He took over in late September 2000 when our season was going nowhere, but transformed it completely by using a three centreback system which revived Andy Legg’s career as he made a great success of the sweeper role he was given – City were also the highest scoring team in the country that season. It shouldn’t be forgotten either that Alan Cork was in charge for that epic FA Cup win over Leeds in January 2002, but it didn’t do him much good because he was out of a job within five weeks after his expensive, but inconsistent, team were thumped 4-0 at Wigan.

      8. Jimmy Andrews

       

      Jimmy Andrews - too nice to be a manager?

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      Jimmy Andrews owes his place in the top ten solely to the entertaining promotion team of 1975/76. That side always tried to play good, and attacking football and certainly didn’t buckle when the pressure came on at the end of that campaign as they produced a run of six wins and three draws from their final nine matches whilst conceding just one goal in the process. Andrews’ signing of Tony Evans has to be a contender for City’s best free transfer capture ever, with his partnership with Adrian Alston being one of the most potent I have seen at the club and the likes of Alan Campbell and Mike England were also shrewd signings who brought know how and craft to a side low on confidence following their relegation to the third tier a season earlier. However, although Andrews stuck by his attacking principles, it was struggle all the way besides that. A lot of the good work in the transfer market a few years earlier was undone by his failure to utilise the managerial and coaching talents of England and John Toshack and the disastrous signing of Mickey Burns as player/coach  and it was no surprise when he was eventually sacked in October 1978.

      7. Richie Morgan

       

      Richie Morgan, under rated as a player and a manager.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      I can remember Richie Morgan’s appointment as full time manager (he had initially been given the job on a caretaker basis after Jimmy Andrews’ sacking) being greeted with little enthusiasm and there wasn’t much in his early results to suggest that he could drag the team out of their 1978/79 relegation struggle. However, Morgan used a cold snap that saw us play just one game between 30 December and 24 February well and by the time the team returned to action it was with a remodeled team that featured teenager Lindon Jones at right back and new signings Colin Sullivan and Ronnie Moore at left back and centre forward respectively. The changes worked and City finished the season in great form as a run of eleven unbeaten games saw them finish in the giddy heights of ninth position! Moore, the striker who couldn’t score, rather typified Richie Morgan’s dour but effective teams – there weren’t many goals around in 79/80, but at least it was a mid table season when relegation was never a serious possibility. After being given a fair bit of money to spend during his early days at the club, the usual restrictions were placed on him from 1980 onwards and, predictably, City struggled – it was still a surprise though when in November 1981, he was “moved upstairs” to become general manager while Graham Williams took charge of team affairs. Williams’ appointment was a disaster and he was gone within three months as City headed for relegation – it’s still something of a mystery though as to why Morgan had to be sacked with him.

      6. Eddie May

      Eddie May, one of only two City managers to win a Championship since the club were elected to the Football League, seen making a return to Ninian Park in 2008/09.

      I think there may be quite a few City fans who will think that Eddie May deserves a higher place than number six. My reason for doing that though is that, just like Alan Cork, Eddie May was given an awful lot of money to spend for a manager in charge of a team in the Football League’s basement. May was given a substantial transfer budget in his first season (91/92), but, although Carl Dale and Paul Ramsey were excellent signings, Paul Millar a decent one and the loan signings of Eddie Newton and Gerry Harrison were the catalyst for a good run in early 1992, City didn’t even make the Play Offs despite playing some fine football at times. May got it right second time around though as a more physical and experienced team featuring the likes of Robbie James, Nicky Richardson, Derek Brazil, Phil Stant and Kevin Ratcliffe deservedly won the Third Division (old Fourth Division) title and retained the Welsh Cup. With owner Rick Wright pulling the plug as far transfer funding went, 1993/94 was always going to be a tough season at the higher level and May’s feat of steering the side to a safe, lower mid table position while also beating Middlesbrough and Man City in a run to the Fifth Round of the FA Cup was, arguably, just as impressive as what he had achieved twelve months earlier. However, May never looked like staying long under the newly installed Jim Cadman consortium and he left in November 1994 with City struggling badly, only to return for the last few weeks of the campaign with relegation virtually assured – it was a sad and anti climactic end at Cardiff for someone who always had a pretty good rapport with the fans.

      5. Lennie Lawrence

       

      Lennie Lawrence, sacked for keeping his hands in his pockets?

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      Again, there may be some who feel Lennie should be higher than fifth, but the job becomes that much easier if you have the sort of money he had to spend in the third tier of the domestic game. Lawrence made an immediate impact when he took over from Alan Cork in February 2002 and City went on an excellent run which saw them reach the Play Offs before agonisingly being beaten at home by Stoke having won the first leg at the Britannia Stadium. With expensive new signings Andy Campbell and Chris Barker added to the squad as well as influential midfielder Gareth Whalley on a free, City started 02/03 in fine form, but from the end of October onwards they lacked consistency, struggling particularly in home matches where expectation levels were sky high. City scraped into the Play Offs in sixth place, but to Lawrence’s credit, he got the team defending well at just the right time as promotion was obtained without a goal being conceded in those last three, high pressure, games. I always thought of Lennie Lawrence as a pretty cautious manager and so it was a big surprise to see City playing such good attacking football for much of their first campaign in the second tier in eighteen years. Money problems were beginning to grip the club again though and so it was free transfers and loanees for most of the time as 04/05 turned into a relegation scrap, which City survived by reaching safety in their penultimate game – it was not enough to save Lawrence his job though as the experienced manager who never really won over the supporters left the club in May 2005.

      4. Len Ashurst

       

      Len Ashurst - more appearances for Sunderland than any other outfield player (if only we'd had a left back half as good as him last season).

      Len Ashurst managed the promotion Lennie Lawrence did, but with a shoestring budget. Arriving in March 1982, Len Ashurst’s first home match in charge was a remarkable 5-4 win over Cambridge United, but, although there were some other notable wins for him at Ninian Park, he couldn’t prevent a relegation that had been on the cards for much of the campaign. During the summer, the team was completely rebuilt with free transfer signings galore and to general surprise, City were able to win back their Second Division status at the first attempt on the back of Jeff Hemmerman’s goals. Very much a member of the old school in his management approach, Ashurst fell out with a few players (e.g. Keith Pontin and Billy Woof) and left the talented Dave Bennett out at times if he thought he wasn’t pulling his weight, but the winger cum striker’s’ skills were a vital part of a successful team as the manager also coaxed some great performances at centreback out of Phil Dwyer whose City career had looked over a few months earlier. Forced to rebuild his side for life back at the higher level after the loss, for various reasons, of his three main goalscorers, City hardly surprisingly, were not prolific in front of goal in 83/84, but Gordon Owen was another excellent free signing and he gave City enough of a cutting edge to make sure the team stayed comfortably above the drop zone. Given the job he had done at Cardiff, it was no surprise that a top level team picked Ashurst up as his former club Sunderland appointed him in place of Alan Durban in March 1984.

      Len Ashurst wasn’t finished with City though as he returned for a second, less successful, spell in charge in August 1989. Ironically, Ashurst was given the transfer funding that he never saw in the early 80′s this time around, but, apart from Cohen Griffith who gave the club years of good service, his buys were not successes and it was free transfer signings like Chris Pike and Gavin Ward that were more notable. City were a poor side that season and were relegated with barely a whimper of resistance at Bury on the final day of the campaign. With the club’s finances now probably in as precarious a state as they have ever been, there was no immediate promotion this time. In fact, 90/91 proved to be a tough season as Ashurst seemed unable to inspire a young side out of a mid table rut and, probably seeing that the writing was on the wall for him, one of the better City managers I have seen quit the club as soon as the campaign finished.

      3. Frank Burrows

      Frank Burrows - hard and uncompromising both on and off the pitch.

      As the only manager to achieve two promotions at Cardiff in my time, Frank Burrows deserves a place in the top three. Burrows took over for the first time in the summer of 1986 with the club facing their first ever season in the league’s basement. With little money available, 86/87 turned into something of a holding operation, but Burrows demonstrated his knack of finding cheap but good players by signing Terry Boyle, Paul Wimbleton, Nicky Platneaur and Kevin Bartlett with the latter three bringing in much needed revenue when they moved on a few years later. In his second season though, promotion always looked on the cards as bargain buy Jimmy Gilligan supplied the goals and Alan Curtis the class that had been previously lacking – there was the added bonus of a Welsh Cup win courtesy of a 2-0 win over Wrexham at the Vetch Field as well. City comfortably survived at the higher level the following season, but the pressure to sell was always present and when many of the team’s stalwarts moved on in the summer of 1989, Frank Burrows wasn’t far behind them as he left to join Second Division Portsmouth as their new boss.

      Just as with Len Ashurst and Eddie May though, there was a second spell at Cardiff for Frank Burrows as he was brought back in February 1998 to replace Russell Osman. Burrows was unable to do anything to turn around the fortunes of one of the worst ever City sides as the team suffered the ignominy of finishing in the league’s bottom four, but he put things right with a vengeance the following year. Fine signings like Mark Delaney, John Williams, Graham Mitchell, Richard Carpenter and the on loan Matt Brazier meant that City were always challenging near the top and with Kevin Nugent recovered from the injury that had kept him out for much of the previous season, City enjoyed a tremendous spell either side of Christmas with a series of high scoring wins at Ninian Park. Life became more of a struggle after the superb Delaney left, but Burrows again did well in the transfer market to recruit Jason Bowen and Andy Legg from Reading on frees and promotion was assured after a tense goalless draw with Scunthorpe at Ninian Park. With a new Board in place and a bit of money to spend, there was much optimism that City could make an impact in the higher league, but Burrows’ three centre back system that had worked so well the previous year was a flop this time as the team played some good football, but struggled to win games at home. Despite plenty of new recruits, City were unable to climb clear of the relegation zone and Frank Burrows’ time at Cardiff ended with a truly dismal 3-1 home defeat to Luton in January as he resigned his post despite attempts by Chairman Steve Borley to get him to stay.

      2. Dave Jones

       

       

      Dave Jones with Norwich manager Paul Lambert, one of three men who, indirectly, got him the sack, after the 1-1 draw at Carrow Road in January.

      Dave Jones would have been number one in this list if he had left his job at the end of the 2009/10 campaign, but, for me, so much of his earlier good work was undone over the course of the season just ended when a series of poor signings, strange tactical and selection decisions and an increasingly morose and sour public demeanour all played their part in dowsing down optimism and positivity at the club. Allowances had to be made for all that the man had gone through after his loss of the Southampton job of course, but that could only go so far and it was only after the season had finished that it really hit home how bad things had got at Cardiff as far as the “feel” of the club went. Therefore, it’s worth bearing in mind that emotions are still raw as far as our former manager is concerned at the moment and it’s probably difficult to be totally objective in analysing just how good or bad  a manager Dave Jones was for us.

      He was the man who nearly took us to the Premiership but the nature of those failures pointed to weaknesses at the heart of his teams and, possibly, the man himself. There are two sides to every story though and it has to be noted that many of the criticisms I have outlined here have come about because I’m applying standards to Dave Jones that I haven’t been to eighteen of the others involved in this process – only Dave Jones and the man who finished above him in my top ten have been able to say that they were in charge of teams realistically chasing promotion to the top flight. As I hinted above, the passing of time might well see Dave Jones’ merits being reassessed by Cardiff fans – for example, if the club goes into a decline now, then, surely, he has to be credited more for the three top seven finishes and FA Cup Final appearance we have seen over the past four seasons, but, if, say, Malky Mackay were to get us promoted to the Premiership during his time with us, then his reputation as the “nearly man” would be reinforced.

       

      1.  Jimmy Scoular

       

       

      Jimmy Scoular after being presented with the FA Cup following Newcastle’s 3-1 win over Manchester City in the 1955 Final.

      So was Jimmy Scoular really as good as us old fogeys  make him out to be or are we all wearing those rose tinted spectacles that distort so many of the images from your youth? Well, when you look at a record that showed only three seasons out of nine where City challenged for a place in the top flight against four when we were in serious relegation trouble (we were nearer the bottom of the league than the top in his two other seasons with us well) and a pretty ordinary win percentage rate then I can certainly see why younger fans would look at his record and ask what all the fuss was about. What I would say to that is, despite the common perception that we are always skint, there have been times during the past half a century when some City managers have had some serious financial backing – Jimmy Scoular was not one of them. This point is probably best illustrated by what happened after the sale of John Toshack to Liverpool in November 1970 for £110,000. With City second in the table at the time and averaging more than 20,000  per game, you would have thought that much of that money would have been made available to Scoular for the replacement striker we definitely needed. Instead of that though, the Board balked at making less than half of that available to him for six weeks and vital games were lost before they finally relented and agreed to pay £42,000 for the Sheffield Wednesday striker Alan Warboys – if Scoular had been given the backing that some in this list have had, I think there is every chance that we would been playing First Division football in 1971/72.

      One of my criteria in picking this top ten has been that the men who gave us a realistic chance of playing top level football have to be numbers one and two, but, even allowing for the criticisms of him I outlined above, Dave Jones’ record looks a better one than Jimmy Scoular’s. The Scot’s achievement in getting us to two Quarter Finals and one Semi Final of the European Cup Winners Cup is cancelled out for me by the FA Cup Final appearance in 2008 and the fact that Dave Jones’ Cardiff teams were decent cup performers during his time with us, so why go for Scoular as number one? I think the best way of answering that is to refer back to the way that five of his former players talked about him at the Supporter’s Trust do on 10 June at the Duke of Clarence. Jimmy Scoular was a competitive player (my parents would replace “competitve” with “dirty” if they were still around mind!) and he certainly didn’t suffer fools gladly – I think all of the players involved told at least one story about being on the wrong end of a Scoular rant. However, I got the distinct impression that all five players would have run through a wall for Jimmy Scoular such was the respect and, I think, affection, they had for a man for whom nothing was too much for his team. Yes, times are different now and attitudes have changed, but, certainly last season, you got the impression there were some in the Cardiff team who were not prepared to break even a finger nail for Dave Jones!

       

       

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      • Comments

        1. G Davies says:
          June 23, 2011 at 8:13 am

          Excellent article as usual.

          A minor, but valid point I think, is that statistically Jones would have had us promoted in the Scoular era due to the smaller Premier League.
          There again, Scoular’s team would have gone up if 3 up/down had been in force in 1971.

          …. and if away goals had counted against Stoke in 2002 and if ……and if…
          (fill in gaps as required)
          Oh well, roll on 2011/12

        2. The other Bob Wilson says:
          June 23, 2011 at 10:06 am

          Thank you for your reply. Not sure what you mean about Dave Jones getting us promoted in the Scoular era because of the smaller Premiership – I’m probably being dense! Although it’s not really true, it always seems to me that we got closer to the Premiership in 1971 than we did in 2010 – maybe it’s because I was too young to have acquired the expect City to fail mentality back then?

        3. G Davies says:
          June 23, 2011 at 3:25 pm

          Badly expressed by me. I do agree that Scoular was superior, especially in terms of team building…notice how many of the old guard stayed around.
          Pre premier league the 23rd, 24th (and later 25th) teams in the Football League were promoted.
          We have finished 24th twice.
          In terms of time we were about 50 minutes away in 2010.
          Sadly there was the Sheff Utd debacle and then another game (Luton) before the end of the season in 1972.

          These things are burned in my psyche.. God help me!

        4. G Davies says:
          June 23, 2011 at 5:42 pm

          oops 1971 not 1972

        5. The other Bob Wilson says:
          June 24, 2011 at 10:26 am

          Ah, I see what you mean, twenty fourth place in the whole of the league system back in the days when there were twenty two clubs in the Premier League/First Division would have been enough to get us promoted whereas we were twenty fifth in 1971.

          I know what you mean about those games late in the 70/71 season – I can still remember so much of it as if it was yesterday and I would have been all the more upset about how they worked out if I had known that we’d still be waiting to get back into the top flight forty years later!

        6. Dennis says:
          July 14, 2011 at 2:07 pm

          MY BEST TEN CITY MANAGERS SINCE WORLD WAR II

          I have supported Cardiff City for nearly 70 years and was interested in your assessment of our best 10 managers during your time. Going back a little further to the end of the war, just after I started watching, I have come up with this list in reverse order and wondered if you might be interested in my thoughts.

          10. Eddie May, a popular manager, who won promotion to Division 3 in 1993
          with some very good players, including Nathan Blake, Phil Stant, Robbie James and of course Kevin Radcliffe. He brought about a temporary revival of the club but was unable to sustain it as Rick Wright lost interest and withdrew his backing.

          9. Billy McCandless. Few will remember him but he was the manager of that fine City team that broke all records in winning the Third Division (South) Championship in 1946/47. I would place him higher except that this team was built by his predecessor and, frankly, anyone could have taken it out of the Third Division that season. However, Billy did have a unique record in taking three Welsh clubs to promotion from that league – Newport (1939), Cardiff (1947) and Swansea (1949).

          8. Len Ashurst, who had two spells as City manager. His second tenure is best forgotten but on the first occasion in 1982 he took over a side that was doomed to relegation. He could do nothing about that but the following season he created a team that won an immediate return to Division Two. Among his stars were Dave and Gary Bennett, Jeff Hemmerman and Roger Gibbins. Another manager who was unable to build on his success as he was forced to sell key players.

          7. Jimmy Andrews replaced Frank O’Farrell as manager in 1974 and saved the City from relegation that season. The following year the club was relegated but, with new members on the board, Andrews was able to build a team that won promotion back to Division Two at the first attempt. The side was good to watch with Mike England at the heart of the defence, Doug Livermore, a creative midfielder, and exciting forwards including Willie Anderson and those two prolific goal scorer, Tony Evans and Adrian Alston. Sadly the team was soon struggling in the Second Division and Andrews left in 1978.

          6. Lennie Lawrence deserves credit as the man who took City back to the second level of League football after 18 years absence. Most of the team were inherited from the variety of managers appointed by Sam Hammam but after a play-off semi-final failure against Stoke in 2002, Lawrence led the club to a memorable victory against QPR at the Millennium Stadium a year later. After a reasonable first season in the Championship players were sold as the Sam Hammam bubble burst and, after a close shave with relegation, Lennie was replaced in 2005.

          5. Bill Jones was the last manager to take Cardiff City to the First Division. Appointed in 1958, a year after City had been relegated from the top flight, he built a fine side and in the 1959-60 season, won promotion 8 points ahead of Liverpool as City finished runners-up to Aston Villa. The team was exciting to watch as it scored 90 goals, mainly from Derek Tapscott, Joe Bonson and young Graham Moore. City should have had a longer spell in Division One than two years but sadly players were sold, replacements wer inadequate and Jones paid the price, losing his job in September 1962.

          4. Frank Burrows, with his flat cap and down to earth attitude, was a popular figure with the fans. He had two spells as City manager and his resources were always limited, Despite that he won promotion from Division 4 to Division 3 in 1988 and again in 1999. Sadly for him, he was unable to capitalise on his achievements and, as relegation once more loomed, Frank lost his job in January 2000. I can’t help wondering how he would have fared if he could have survived a little longer as Sam Hammam began his spending spree.

          3. Jimmy Scoular spent 9m years as City manager. The club was in serious decline when he arrived in June 1964 and his first few years were spent trying to avoid the drop into Division 3. Gradually he built up a fine side which included John Toshack, Brian Clark and Don Murray. For 3 seasons his team challenged for promotion to the top flight and came agonisingly close in the 1970-71 season when it finished 3 points behind Sheffield United, the team in second place. These were also exciting years as the City competed in the European Cup Winners Cup, defeating such famous teams as Sporting Lisbon, Moscow Torpedo and Real Madrid. In 1968 Cardiff reached the semi-final, losing narrowly to SV Hamburg. It was a proud record but sadly Jimmy and the club lost their way and , after two seasons of struggle, Scoular departed in November 1973.

          2. Dave Jones. It would be easy to link him and Scoular together as their experience with Cardiff City was similar. Dave succeeded Lennie Lawrence with the club in turmoil following a poor season and the departure of many of their best players to balance the books. With little money available he built a team which could compete successfully in the Championship. Not all his signings were successful but most of them were. After two years of consolidation the team began to challenge for promotion to the Premiership. Sadly, as we know, they lost out to Blackpool in the Play-off final of 2010 and last season, despite having money available for the first time, the club again lost out at the final hurdle. Add to this a Cup Final appearance, something I never thought I would see, and Dave Jones can look back with pride on his achievements at Cardiff.

          1. Cyril Spiers might appear an odd choice for the top spot but people of my
          generation will recall that wonderful team of 1946-47 that won promotion to Division Two. Billy McCandless was the lucky manager to inherit that team but it was put together by Cyril Spiers. Many of them were drawn from local talent, including Alf Sherwood, Roy Clarke, Billy Rees, Ken Hollyman and Buller Lever, and did not cost the club a penny. Spiers missed out on the promotion party but, when McCandless departed to Swansea in November 1947, he returned. Spiers continued his policy of fostering local talent and, together with some shrewd purchases forged a side that took Cardiff back to Division 1 in 1952. I am aware that managing a football club is very different now from Cyril Spiers’ time. It was easier to retain players then than it is now, which made team building that much easier. At the same time, money is not always the answer and the ability to spot a good player and to nurture his talent has not changed. That is why Spiers is my number one choice.

        7. The other Bob Wilson says:
          July 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm

          Thanks very much for that Dennis – I really enjoyed reading it. I was particularly interested to see that you placed Dave Jones above Jimmy Scoular (I may well have done so if he hadn’t stayed on for that extra season) and that you rated Jimmy Andrews as highly as that – I suppose keeping City in the Second Division as often as he did shouldn’t be under estimated as much as I probably do.

          Although I can’t comment much about three of the managers you include, I agree with you that the ability to spot a good player is a gift that the better managers have. If Cyril Spiers was the best you have seen at the club in that respect, then when you combine that with him putting together a Championship winning team and one that got promoted to the top flight, I think I can see why he would be your number one.

          Judging by what you say about Dave Jones, I assume that you are still going to games? If you are, how highly would you rate the recent teams compared to the good Scoular sides, the 59/60 team, the ones that played in the First Division in the 50′s and the 46/47 team?

          I’m looking forward to the new season – I think Malky Mackay might be someone who will be very high up in my top ten in two or three years time. I’m quietly encouraged by the signings we have made – the team needs a few more new signings yet, but I reckon the addition of Taylor and the return of Gerrard makes us stronger at the back, while the midfield looks a better balanced unit than it did. We definitely need reinforcements up front and I think we could do with an organiser in midfield, but there’s still a fair bit of time yet for us to do that – I think people will be looking for a bit more than consolidation come the start of the season.

        8. Dennis says:
          July 15, 2011 at 12:23 am

          I must agree that the early signs under Malky Mackay are encouraging indeed. He seems to have picked up some industrious players with untapped potential that I am hoping that he and his new back room staff can develop.

          By the end of last season the final side built by Dave Jones had the same haunted look as their manager. There was no doubt that Jones had assembled some of the most talented players to ever wear the shirt but persuading them to fire all at the same time for ninety plus minutes was a task that was beyond him and probably beyond anyone. No matter what the platitudes the players may have come out with to the press or their twitters and tweeters it was clear that team spirit was virtually non-existent. Though I still believe that players cared; Burke for sure, Kev no doubt and Bellamy had the drive of ten men at the death. Even Bothroyd who for much of the last few games had the look of a man eyeing the doorway I believe still wanted promotion. Whether the same can be said for some of the loan signings is debateable but even that was a strategy that paid dividends for Pulis when Stoke were promoted.

          Hindsight, of course, is a marvellous thing when we look at the rubble of the team that remained but there are still some good players in there and the new signings look as if they might fill the gaps that Dave Jones never quite managed to address. Providing for that strength in depth though is the elusive key to a promotion campaign and I suspect we will be some way from that for a season or two. So progress will need to be measured against a new set of criteria for the next eighteen months but that doesn’t mean that I’m not optimistic. I’m looking forward to a season of ‘honest’ performances from players keen to impress the manager and the fans and, who knows, we might be where Norwich or Swansea are come next May!

          I’m away for a while and would like to answer your other questions. I’ll give them some thought while I’m away and will come back to you on my return. Keep up the excellent articles on your Blog. It’s good to see us more mature fans providing a more considered perspective!

        9. The other Bob Wilson says:
          July 16, 2011 at 5:15 am

          I agree with the conclusions you come to about last season’s team Dennis – I don’t think the players didn’t try, but I’m not sure they were working to a common purpose.

          Thanks for your kind words and I look forward to reading more of your thoughts shortly.

          Enjoy your break!

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